if u have the standard 50/50 + makeup deal and after awhile u are say $500 in makeup. if your backer wants out am i obligated(sp?) to pay him the $500? from my understanding that would make it a loan not a staking deal. amirite? but if i want out then i DO have to pay the makeup? any info would be helpful. thx

 

Originally Posted by younggunzosu22

No, if your backer wants out you don't owe him shit. $500 in makeup? LOL, sounds like you need a new backer if he wants out when you're only down, oh, one trney buy in.

lol the funny part is im only down $105 in makeup!!! he backed me in 5 token mtts and the 50/50. i min cashed the 50/50, but i took down the $5 rebuy(my own $$$)and now he wants me to pay the makeup out of my winnings. and then tells me idk how to do business.

What kind of deal is it that u play some tournies on your dime and some on his

 

Originally Posted by akcbr954

if u have the standard 50/50 + makeup deal and after awhile u are say $500 in makeup. if your backer wants out am i obligated(sp?) to pay him the $500? from my understanding that would make it a loan not a staking deal. amirite? but if i want out then i DO have to pay the makeup? any info would be helpful. thx

your so funny and now your gonna front like when it was 3 handed and you said to me in aim that if you ship it that you dont need staking anymore and i said how does that affect makeup you would have to pay it off. So you come up with a scheme to not ship 130 from your 3200 win to ask for staking once a week instead of our original agreement of all tokens.. I guess its only good if its good for you and you got what you wanted to be on your own after you got a roll together. You already know the only reason why I staked you with the makeup deal is cause you brought it up and you knew i wanted you to get back on your feet with a roll, unbenownst to us that you would end up shipping a 3200 score on your own which should never have happened. You shouldnt have played any mtts on your own sitngos maybe but not mtts, technically you should owe me half your fucking score but i'm not a scumbag like some people and am actually happy you are back on your feet but scumbags think of ways to get out of paying 130 bucks from a 3200 score after agreeing that you would no longer need backing and after you did a scumbag thing i say fuck you our business deal is done and i dont want your 1 tournament a week deal that works for you cause now you have the roll to play another words you got exactly what you wanted out of the deal without you having to pay the measly 130 bucks. then you come on pocket fives and tell 5 percent of the story and say i backed out when you are the one that said you didnt need staking anymore then when you realized it would cost you barely over 100 bucks you say ok well i only want staking for 1 tournament a week.. what the fuck is that 1 tournament a week. i made it clear to you i wasnt backing out till i was even or you paid the make up god forbid the make up was from couple of years over 1k you probably would have paid 100 bucks to a crack head to have me murdered to get out of paying the 1k. which you should have just shipped. Your cheapness is gonna cost yet another friendship which you have plenty of.

Just remember all the 150's and 75's i put you in over the years without makeup and over 1k easily in staking and clearly i was out of my mind. And to think my first 4 figure score i shipped you a hundo and after your first four figure score i got squat i should have cut any staking (hooking u up then) then when you showed your true colors. good luck in poker hope your karma doesnt fuck you up for the next 7 months like you had the last 7 months cause im sure all your good deeds that you do over and over againhere.. i was just so naive not to see it and for the low low price of 130.00 bucks.. i am gonna save a Fortune cutting you out of my life.

lol wow a 130 bucks man after you shipped over 3k and the dude has backed you and helped you out so much.. thats just greedy you should be shipping him a grand for helping you out

 

Originally Posted by cronk123

lol wow a 130 bucks man after you shipped over 3k and the dude has backed you and helped you out so much.. thats just greedy you should be shipping him a grand for helping you out

this is why im upset...

im not even upset at the fact the 1 gtournament he played on his own he ships and the 8 others he barely made the money in 1.

I should be pissed that i did not get half the score but im not i was actually happy he got the score 100 percent cause i know he needed it and i just wanted a friend to be able to continue playing the 26 tokens with me nothing else. I just did not want to leave the deal down 130 bucks thats all i wanted was that paid off and to think deep inside that hopefully he would send me like 500 on top for the fucked up situation that he ships the 1 out of 7 tournies that he played that i did not have a piece of that i would have shiped him 25 in a heartbeat.

ya man i understand i've been in the same situation being stacked in 24+2 on fullilt run awful am down bout 200 in the deal feel real bad... Am playing 2/5 at casino few weeks later win over a grand gave me my stacker 300 in cash there was no deal.. its just if someone is helping you out you should at least return the favor

Sounds like this was a 1 sided friendship at best. Akc should ship the make up if it's less than $200 and he just won $3k. From there you should probably both be done with each other. And for the record, if you're going to help friends out like this in the future, make sure you have better friends. Breakups are so ugly :(

This is a matter of ethics. These types of things don't need to be in writing. Player A backed Player B. Player A lost in those games that he was backed by Player B. However, he won in the 1 tournament that he played on his own. To say, "I don't need to be backed if I win this tournament," is a douche bag thing to say at the very least considering that he was down in the backing arrangement that was offered to him by Player B. Also, if there is history btw. the two w/ this type of thing happening in the past whether there was makeup discussed or not doesn't make a difference. If you win 3k on your own dime when you're being backed and down in the current arrangement and in past arrangement overall, you should pay some of it back.

Players shouldn't put themselves in this situation to begin w/. If you're being backed, you shouldn't be playing the same types of games on your own money in hopes to get a score so that you can play on your own and use the backing arrangement as a backup option. I absolutely hate when players do this to me. For some reason, they don't see a problem with this, but it is highly unethical imo.

Player A should pay back the makeup from the existing arrangement and a portion of past losses. Imo, he should pay back the entire thing, but that's just me. Player A shouldn't put himself in this situation in the future and Player B shouldn't allow for this situation to occur. It doesn't matter that you're friends. This is business and it doesn't take long before things can get out of control. With friends it should be treated with even more care than if it wassomeone you don't know because there is so much to lose.

 

Originally Posted by akcbr954

if u have the standard 50/50 + makeup deal and after awhile u are say $500 in makeup. if your backer wants out am i obligated(sp?) to pay him the $500? from my understanding that would make it a loan not a staking deal. amirite? but if i want out then i DO have to pay the makeup? any info would be helpful. thx

these appear to be the parts where you are pulling the wool over our eyes.

based on what I have heard from your backer you are the one who wants out and should FULLY be paying him the $130 back and if you only gave him that you are probably being a dick about it, you should really be giving him more given what he's done for you over the years.

you wanted a P5's judgement, you've had it from several people.

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY!!

sounds to me like op just completely fucked the guy whos backing him. Plays a tourney with his own money, which is fucked up in itself from what i hear about backing deals, ships 3300 and then bitches and moans about paying the bacer 130 bux? should ship half the winnings for the rebuy, but hes only asking for the makeup so ship it and stfu imo

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

 

Originally Posted by akcbr954

if u have the standard 50/50 + makeup deal and after awhile u are say $500 in makeup. if your backer wants out am i obligated(sp?) to pay him the $500? from my understanding that would make it a loan not a staking deal. amirite? but if i want out then i DO have to pay the makeup? any info would be helpful. thx

these appear to be the parts where you are pulling the wool over our eyes.

based on what I have heard from your backer you are the one who wants out and should FULLY be paying him the $130 back and if you only gave him that you are probably being a dick about it, you should really be giving him more given what he's done for you over the years.

you wanted a P5's judgement, you've had it from several people.

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY!!

i think you meant to say, 'pay theeeeat meeeyan hes meyanee'

its far from the scummiest thing i've ever heard. its just as scummy as a backer cutting you off, and then demanding money when you hit a score with your own money

 

Originally Posted by downbylaw11

on the one hand, if a staker ends the agreement, stakee should not be obligated to pay back the makeup. but on the other hand, 130 of 3000 isnt that much and if I was in the same situation, I'd probably give the guy his 130 bucks. however, this is an example of why staking agreements need to be clarified fully before hand so situations like this do not arise. and it sounds like the staker should not have staked in the first place, since he mentioned that he cannot really afford to, and its clear he can't if he's throwing a fit over 130 bucks that technically doesnt have to be paid to him

I only ended it because ak wanted to cut it down to 1 day a week backing instead of all the tokens which i knew he wanted to play on his own dime once he got a roll that because we both agreed the only reason for the backing was for him to get his roll back thats it, Im in no place to back anybody, in fact i would love backing for ftops, I am backing in 26 dollar tournies it wont kill me but i shouldnt be with my bankroll.

He said he wanted to go on his own if he shipped the tourney for 3k and when he does and realize that he would have to pay me at minimum the make up he changed his mind and said he only once backing for 1 day a week instead of all the tokens like we prev agreed on and i knew this is what he wanted once he got a roll he just did it in the most scummiest way

You saying im throwing a fit over 130 bucks your wrong, I'm throwing a fit cause he ships 3300 and agreed he wanted out of staking then changes his mind when he realizes it will cost him 130 and tries to cut it down to once a week, I'm throwing a fit over a 4 year friendship that was always lopsided and i always turned a blind eye, in fact I considered this person my best friend as we spoke everyday more then i speak with anybody else in this world and i'm sure he could say the same thing and his cheapness that I dont think he could help ruined a friendship not for the 1k in the past that I have staked and Im going thru my transfers to get an exact figure but its well over 1k after i did a quick scan of my poker accounts but for a measly 130 bucks that he lost when he shipped 3300 in the same day. Even if there wasnt make up he still and I would have shipped it to him if the tables were turned.

130 bucks price of knowing who your friends are and think about all my future savings

I don't know if this thread makes me lol, or it makes me sad. Just one thing OP: Say good bye at you EVER getting someone to make any kind of deal with you.