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is this a standard shove, or do you fold here to 'wait for a better spot'

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  1. MikeyRy MikeyRy is offline still fat

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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 8:49pm)

    pokerstars Game #19000420277: Tournament #96577470, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/07/21 - 20:43:21 (ET)
    Table '96577470 115' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: EagleEye14 (1480 in chips)
    Seat 2: The Hairlip (9505 in chips)
    Seat 3: Darkest (9860 in chips)
    Seat 4: megaboady (7570 in chips)
    Seat 5: Ginzopig (8755 in chips)
    Seat 6: foldman59 (11495 in chips)
    Seat 7: Mikey Ry (2910 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ivan Jakinit (7290 in chips)
    Seat 9: jwaces (6155 in chips)
    EagleEye14: posts the ante 25
    The Hairlip: posts the ante 25
    Darkest: posts the ante 25
    megaboady: posts the ante 25
    Ginzopig: posts the ante 25
    foldman59: posts the ante 25
    Mikey Ry: posts the ante 25
    Ivan Jakinit: posts the ante 25
    jwaces: posts the ante 25
    jwaces: posts small blind 125
    EagleEye14: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mikey Ry [Th Qh]
    The Hairlip: folds
    Darkest: folds
    megaboady: folds
    Ginzopig: folds
    foldman59: folds
    Mikey Ry: ?
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 9:04pm) in reply to MikeyRy

    No time like the present. You've got a good potential hand if you happen to run into a monster. Good size stack for leverage. Go get 'em.
     
  3. calhoun137 calhoun137 is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 9:34pm) in reply to MikeyRy

    If you think you are likely to get called, you should never shove with Q high, period. If you are called, you're probably going to be dominated about 1/2 the time, and the other half they will have at least king high. That means you will only double up about 40% of the time. You're better off shoving your short stack with something like 87 suited that Q high, at least with the smaller cards you are less likely to be dominated, and having suited/gapped/connector cards is also very important because a lot of times you will have to suck out with a flush or straight to stay alive.
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 9:49pm) in reply to calhoun137

    I expect that overall, the percentage of the time you'll double up after shoving with Q high is closer to 30% than 40%, just wanted to correct that.
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 9:53pm) in reply to MikeyRy

    lol. folding here would be bad.
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  6. snowman2k6 snowman2k6 is offline DO NOT TRADE -- MONEY TRANSFER SCAMMER

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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 10:00pm) in reply to pokerjamers

    whered u get that math calhoun??
    and yes i shove here.
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 10:05pm) in reply to snowman2k6

    5 people fold in front of you and you want to fold a suited Q10? I'm shoving that all day esp. with only three people to get through. The button and SB will have to call off ~50% of their stacks so they probably aren't calling too light, the only thing you have to worry about is the BB with ~1500 since he's already got 250 in there.

    Easy shove.
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 10:08pm) in reply to calhoun137

     
    Originally Posted by calhoun137 View Post

    If you think you are likely to get called, you should never shove with Q high, period. If you are called, you're probably going to be dominated about 1/2 the time, and the other half they will have at least king high. That means you will only double up about 40% of the time. You're better off shoving your short stack with something like 87 suited that Q high, at least with the smaller cards you are less likely to be dominated, and having suited/gapped/connector cards is also very important because a lot of times you will have to suck out with a flush or straight to stay alive.

    you're not better off shoving 87s than QTs. huge misconception.
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 10:08pm) in reply to MikeyRy

    fold...rockets are just around the corner ;]
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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 10:14pm) in reply to MikeyRy

    when in doubt, just ask pushbot :)



    gogogogo
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  11. MikeyRy MikeyRy is offline still fat

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    Jul 21st, 2008 (7/21/2008 11:27pm) in reply to wandigo

    i guess i should've said that this was an argument between myself and a friend.

    i Shoved here as i would do 100 times out of 100.
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