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  1. I was thinking about the hand and just wanted your guy's thoughts. Thanks.

    pokerstars Game #27028661465: Tournament #153493010, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (2500/5000) - 2009/04/12 22:01:38 ET
    Table '153493010 155' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: crf88 (125690 in chips)
    Seat 3: cheezees (165774 in chips)
    Seat 4: Sedf54 (103706 in chips)
    Seat 5: doubledave22 (184082 in chips)
    Seat 6: IceyBSimpson (187763 in chips)
    Seat 7: haswellcrew (195486 in chips)
    Seat 8: hg1689 (177574 in chips)
    Seat 9: BrokenTPot (54426 in chips)
    crf88: posts the ante 500
    cheezees: posts the ante 500
    Sedf54: posts the ante 500
    doubledave22: posts the ante 500
    IceyBSimpson: posts the ante 500
    haswellcrew: posts the ante 500
    hg1689: posts the ante 500
    BrokenTPot: posts the ante 500
    crf88: posts small blind 2500
    cheezees: posts big blind 5000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BrokenTPot [Jc Ah]
    Sedf54: folds
    doubledave22: raises 7750 to 12750
    IceyBSimpson: folds
    haswellcrew: calls 12750
    hg1689: folds
    BrokenTPot: raises 41176 to 53926 and is all-in
    crf88: folds
    cheezees: folds
    doubledave22: raises 129656 to 183582 and is all-in
    haswellcrew: folds
    Uncalled bet (129656) returned to doubledave22
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4c Qc]
    *** TURN *** [Td 4c Qc] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [Td 4c Qc 2s] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    doubledave22: shows [Kd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
    BrokenTPot: shows [Jc Ah] (high card Ace)
     
  2. if you won the hand, you wouldnt be posting
  3. I would, Im simply wondering who would reshove here.
     
    Thread Starter
  4. yes, he's obviously shoving to iso
  5. if you can't understand this then i am perplexed
  6. its called an iso
     
  7. He's getting close to 2 to 1, and it's a nice spot for you to squeeze so he probably has your range kind of loose. I'd say yes it's standard.
  8. U have 12bb over an open and a big ace...not much better comin imo.
  9. You're range is not very snug and hes getting a good price to iso...I'm shoving your hand though for sure.
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  10. with the stacks involved I think he has to iso shove there, eventho when you shove he probably knows hes a bit behind but not in real bad shape. If you had like 18-20bbs i think then he would have to fold. i think both played it how it should have been played
     
  11. He made his decision b4 he put a chip in the pot. Standard. He cant fold once he comes in pre. HE prolly thought, if you go all in, he is goin to call.
     
  12. Most ppl don't fold to <15bb shoves anymore unless it's really complete junk...as long as the dude doesn't have huge hand behind, which he shouldn't 99% of the time, he's golden.
  13. I love this spot. At this level, most ppl aren't flatting monsters unless you just run into a tricky random. Flatting behind dave there is pretty exploitable when someone w like 10-20 beebs ships it. I def play same way.
     
  14. Against double dave im only shipping the top of my range. Even though its a close flip with AJ vs QK .... this is 100% a fold pre in my opinion vs this specific player.
     
  15. i'd be worried about haswellcrew more than double dave first of all, but being that he is an unknown and its a 50 dollar buy in your shove is fine.
  16. eh i was calling even if there wasnt that flatter between us. Given that he was there it was a super std reshove iso for me. Ur shove was std, mine was std, hope u understand. ul wp gg
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  17.  
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Most ppl don't fold to <15bb shoves anymore unless it's really complete junk...as long as the dude doesn't have huge hand behind, which he shouldn't 99% of the time, he's golden.

    ^^^^

    and with your stack size, he's calling. another post probably said it best, 18bb, dd considers folding even though he puts you on squeeze
  18. you lost a 60/40, why post this?
  19. are you for real?

    dave is getting basically 2:1 and has KQ, what do you expect, him to fold?

    your AJ is clearly a jam, and his KQ is clearly an iso...

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  20. Ok. I wasn't insulting in anyway, I was just wondering if the iso was std/ my shove was std. Not trying to post a bad beat thread. Thanks Guys.
     
    Thread Starter
  21.  
    Originally Posted by BrokenTPot View Post

    Ok. I wasn't insulting in anyway, I was just wondering if the iso was std/ my shove was std. Not trying to post a bad beat thread. Thanks Guys.

    I just think people make themselves feel better when other players of the COMMUNITY ask questions, its like a mediocre looking girl surrounding themselves with fat chicks just so they feel better....even when everything is standard on that note, you probably dont post this if you win imo
  22.  
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    are you for real?

    dave is getting basically 2:1 and has KQ, what do you expect, him to fold?

    your AJ is clearly a jam, and his KQ is clearly an iso...

    r u for real bein a dick when ur wrong urself? the dude wasnt callin out dd or anything, just asking for peoples thoughts on the hand. why dont u relax u monkey faggot. u still pissed u cant even get payed off when u have aces full over aces full?

    aj is a fold imo. better off finding a good spot to open jam ur stack. u have no fe and a raise +flat in front. kind of a meh spot. kq is a pretty std iso by dd.
  23.  
    Originally Posted by Grip View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    are you for real?

    dave is getting basically 2:1 and has KQ, what do you expect, him to fold?

    your AJ is clearly a jam, and his KQ is clearly an iso...

    r u for real bein a dick when ur wrong urself? the dude wasnt callin out dd or anything, just asking for peoples thoughts on the hand. why dont u relax u monkey faggot. u still pissed u cant even get payed off when u have aces full over aces full?

    aj is a fold imo. better off finding a good spot to open jam ur stack. u have no fe and a raise +flat in front. kind of a meh spot. kq is a pretty std iso by dd.

    lolololol making fun of gags is one of my favorite hobbies but im sorry to say sir you are horribly wrong on like all accounts of this post. I could go into detail but ill try to keep it simple as possible.

    a) aj is clearly a shove here if uve been watching the table even for 5 minutes.
    b) gags isnt a monkey faggot, a monkey maybe... a faggot not rly but ive called him that. but a monkey faggot... def not.
    c) that hand vs moorman was played badly by moorman not gags

    goodnight plz let this thread die
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  24. This entire hand is 100% standard.

    And grip, a) lol @ your advice, and b) why the hell are your panties in a bunch in the first place? Simma down, champ.
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  25. with dave's stack, he should opening kq from any position. Someone flats, and you have aj. You have to shove this because 1. you're short and 2. you're ahead of doubledave's opening range. 3. you're getting good price to squeeze because of the extra money. 4. it doesn't matter if you have no f/e if you're that far ahead of his opening range.

    For dave, he's not fold kq to your stack, the iso shove was standard because he's getting a good price to do so with a good hand, as long as he's pretty sure the flatter is inducing a squeeze here.
    atter.
    If anyone made a mistake in the hand it's probably the flatter.
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  26.  
    Originally Posted by Grip View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    are you for real?

    dave is getting basically 2:1 and has KQ, what do you expect, him to fold?

    your AJ is clearly a jam, and his KQ is clearly an iso...

    r u for real bein a dick when ur wrong urself? the dude wasnt callin out dd or anything, just asking for peoples thoughts on the hand. why dont u relax u monkey faggot. u still pissed u cant even get payed off when u have aces full over aces full?

    aj is a fold imo. better off finding a good spot to open jam ur stack. u have no fe and a raise +flat in front. kind of a meh spot. kq is a pretty std iso by dd.

    what makes this retarded is that brokentpot laughed at doubledave in the chat got getting KQ in here (he neglected to add that to the op)

    so yes, I just think it's a case of brokent posting a standard hand to prove he was 'right'. If he really wanted advice on this he would have asked what to do when it went raise, flat in front of him and he had AJ, and not posted the entire hh

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