call unless u want to try make him fold a set

Problem with calling this raise is that even though you have an open ended straight flush draw, half the time when you hit the straight it's the idiot end and it's going to be 4 to a straight and slow down any action you're getting from his sets and still crushed by a possible flopped straight.

I know in game i just get this in, but i really don't know what's optimal.

Bet/folding seems ridiculous, but might actually be ok, you're going to get flatted a lot and have a chance to hit gin on the turn, and can also double barrel when you miss.

Check/call flop?

It's obv very read dependent and with no reads I would just fold.

we have the ignorant draw and we could already be drawing dead if he has 910. Never wanna play a pot aggressively where there is a possibility of having zero outs.

Edit: didnt see that you had a flush draw too...I would prolly still fold, but it's very close

At risk of sounding more like an idiot than I already do....what's the point in playing suited connectors if you're not going to play when you get the open ender and flush draw on the flop?

 

Originally Posted by hoorayforjaded

At risk of sounding more like an idiot than I already do....what's the point in playing suited connectors if you're not going to play when you get the open ender and flush draw on the flop?

4-bet call shove

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

4-bet call shove

this seems right, make it 1k and call

dont understand what flatting is going to do? if u brick turn you just giving up and you said ur crushed vs his bigger draws so calling just seems like a complete spew?

 

Originally Posted by SigmaBetaRho

LOL crazy game isnt it?

I think low stakes buy ins it's easy shove, but in the super tuesday pple are not going to be raising u with 5jo on a 78J board. Much more likely he is crushed here.

So these guys just play cards and not situations? They aren't good enough to know that Moorman is going to be raising a lot of hands and Cbetting a lot of the time so they try to take advantage of that? Just because this is the Super Tuesday doesn't mean people play ABC poker... Moves are still made and people still use bets to see where they are... I don't think you can simply put the guy on a set here or that he's crushed because even if the guy has JJ he's still only a 60/40 dog...

Why we aren't 4 betting and calling a shove here is getting a little nit picky IMO...

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

You can't 4-bet if there hasn't been a 3-bet.

Semantics... If you're that smart then you get the point right?

 

Originally Posted by jsagan77

So these guys just play cards and not situations? They aren't good enough to know that Moorman is going to be raising a lot of hands and Cbetting a lot of the time so they try to take advantage of that? Just because this is the Super Tuesday doesn't mean people play ABC poker... Moves are still made and people still use bets to see where they are... I don't think you can simply put the guy on a set here or that he's crushed because even if the guy has JJ he's still only a 60/40 dog...

Why we aren't 4 betting and calling a shove here is getting a little nit picky IMO...

I don't know dude, it's the first level. 10/20.... not many people gonna be making moves at this point imo.

 

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Semantics... If you're that smart then you get the point right?

I brought it up because people make that mistake all the time and it can get confusing. If I thought it was a typo I would not have said anything.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

I brought it up because people make that mistake all the time and it can get confusing. If I thought it was a typo I would not have said anything.

Sorry... I can see how that may have been taken facetiously... Didn't intend for it to be that way but it looks that way...

 

Originally Posted by rock3656

No ones ever folding a set too Moorman on the flop ever. I also think that Foggsy(seemingly a pretty strong reg) knows your game and what not and would prob shy away from raising you on a j78 if he was going to fold to another raise, 56cc is crushed by his bigger draws and is pretty close to dead even vs his value range, id probably just play it safe and call. I feel like i'd rather fold the flop then get it in.

^this

ppl arent getting outta line here very often at all here, esp with 1 more behind. Vs any range a race is the best scenario. fold

Seeing how I don't play HSMTT's, I can see a few points here.

1. I like 3 bet the flop, call shove here best. You have a TON of fold equity on Foggsy. He's most likely laying down Top/Top here to a 4 bet. If he's got a set, your not drawing dead by any means and in good shape to double at 10/20 blinds = juicy.

2. Smooth calling... eh I can see its point, but in my opinion you lose so much value out of your hand doing this. However, being this early in a tourney, are you willing to race off your stack with these blinds?

Another thing to consider, the image your going to set if this hand gets shown down. I know your very aggressive Moorman, but wow @ opening this hand UTG +1. Interesting situation at 10/20 blinds.

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Originally Posted by Brandon6176

Seeing how I don't play HSMTT's, I can see a few points here.

1. I like 3 bet the flop, call shove here best. You have a TON of fold equity on Foggsy. He's most likely laying down Top/Top here to a 4 bet. If he's got a set, your not drawing dead by any means and in good shape to double at 10/20 blinds = juicy.
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1) Moorman doesn't have tons of fold equity.

2) Villain isn't raise/folding AJ.

3) Getting it in 150 BBs deep with 9Tcc is juicy. Getting it in with his hand is not.