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  1. phenompoker phenompoker is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:09am)

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    pokerstars Game #18035930466: Tournament #91350075, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2008/06/10 - 00:01:29 (ET)
    Table '91350075 148' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: bukowski101 (106053 in chips)
    Seat 2: disoder (87452 in chips)
    Seat 3: SNOWYBLUFF (27772 in chips)
    Seat 4: spencerman3 (37261 in chips)
    Seat 6: ragsrellum (82554 in chips)
    Seat 7: Corrallie (32641 in chips)
    Seat 8: Deuce27Draw (23997 in chips)
    Seat 9: PhenomPoker (44232 in chips)
    bukowski101: posts the ante 200
    disoder: posts the ante 200
    SNOWYBLUFF: posts the ante 200
    spencerman3: posts the ante 200
    ragsrellum: posts the ante 200
    Corrallie: posts the ante 200
    Deuce27Draw: posts the ante 200
    PhenomPoker: posts the ante 200
    SNOWYBLUFF: posts small blind 1000
    spencerman3: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to PhenomPoker [Jh Jc]
    ragsrellum: folds
    Corrallie: raises 4000 to 6000
    Deuce27Draw: folds
    PhenomPoker:???
    bukowski101: raises 12785 to 18785
    disoder: folds
    SNOWYBLUFF: folds
    spencerman3: folds
    Corrallie: raises 13656 to 32441 and is all-in
    PhenomPoker:???
    bukowski101: calls

    I would like some input on what is the correct play in this spot... Thanks guys.
  2. Hateflops Hateflops is offline 7 over par. ship it!

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:18am) in reply to phenompoker

    Fold, you're hoping for a coinflip at best.

    *edit* woops didn't see ur question marks, shove after the initial raise.
  3. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:26am) in reply to Hateflops

    3 bet all in or 3 bet/call shove imo.
  4. MikeyRy MikeyRy is offline still fat

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:27am) in reply to Hateflops

    Er well if im reading this right im assuming you flatted the first raise?

    Okay, fold to the second raise, lol. As ^ said, you're not gonna be seeing worse than JJ here a lot, ton of his range is QQ+, specifically the big bads, and AK at best.

    It's just one of those shitty spots that comes up in mtt's :-(
  5. gregsox1 gregsox1 is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:29am) in reply to MikeyRy

    plz shove first time action is to you.
     
  6. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 12:30am) in reply to phenompoker

    all ur chips should be allin after the raise to 6k
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  7. lpaper lpaper is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 1:09am) in reply to Gettin Daize

     
    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    all ur chips should be allin after the raise to 6k

    with ur 22BB stack, i would definitley 3bet shove/make funky 3bet commiting myself to the hand. I personally would rather fold than flat call like u did, but i still shove with your stack. By the looks of it u obv ran into a bigger pair which you can write off as just bad luck. Ur not deep enough to get away from this hand. in fact, folding is even better than flat calling, but i would never fold this spot given the dry details of the hand. You haven't told us how the tbl has been thus far as well. Generally loose or tight tbl? How has UTG+1 player been playing?..he's raising 3x with a 16bb stack... is this standard for him? does he vary his raises?..has he been tight(er), or have u seen some push/fold poker from him? These are important details when making ur decision. What happens after is to a large degree outside of ur control.
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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 1:18am) in reply to lpaper

    It seems everyone has weighed in that moving my stack after the 6k raise is the play i need to make. I was set on moving in with this hand as the shorter stack didn't really need a hand better than my Jacks to move in. I guess i'll show you guys what the following action was.

    Hint:Thank you shitty wireless connection.

    Dealt to PhenomPoker [Jh Jc]
    ragsrellum: folds
    Corrallie: raises 4000 to 6000
    Deuce27Draw: folds
    PhenomPoker is disconnected
    PhenomPoker has timed out while disconnected
    PhenomPoker: folds
    PhenomPoker is sitting out
    bukowski101: raises 12785 to 18785
    disoder: folds
    SNOWYBLUFF: folds
    spencerman3: folds
    Corrallie: raises 13656 to 32441 and is all-in
    bukowski101: calls 13656
    PhenomPoker is connected
    *** FLOP *** [2s Kc Ah]
    PhenomPoker has returned
    *** TURN *** [2s Kc Ah] [As]
    *** RIVER *** [2s Kc Ah As] [Th]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Corrallie: shows [7d 7s] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
    bukowski101: shows [Ac Ks] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
    bukowski101 collected 69482 from pot

    I really wasnt sure whether a flat call and then fold to what was coming behind me(uknown at time)or to move in and lets the cards fall where they may.. Thanks for the input guys. Guess this is one of those sh*tty spots ::((
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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 1:35am) in reply to phenompoker

    sick hand only because bukowski is so good do i fold here. he isn't raising like AJ there so you're almost never a 70/30, but more like 50/50 at best.
  10. lpaper lpaper is offline

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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 2:05am) in reply to ronkend

    fwiw, you might have won this hand if u were connected and 3bet corralie...theres a small-decent chance bukowski folds AK here since hes commited for 0 chips and has to 4bet shove in a spot he knows is marginal (assuming u've been playing tight which u prob were )

    oh wait a minute... i forgot .. no one folds AK preflop online...nevermind
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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 2:11am) in reply to phenompoker

     
    Originally Posted by phenompoker View Post


    I really wasnt sure whether a flat call and then fold to what was coming behind me(uknown at time)or to move in and lets the cards fall where they may.. Thanks for the input guys. Guess this is one of those sh*tty spots ::((

    if you are going to flat call it should be to induce action, not to try to get away from the hand. Flatting with the intention of folding to action behind you is badbadbadbadbad unless the action behind you starts going insane.
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    Jun 10th, 2008 (6/10/2008 2:21am) in reply to threeven

    I didn't mean to make the wrong impression with that statement. That is why i put (unknown at the time) I didnt mean i would call the raise to see if i can get in for 6k and fold if any1 put in more heat.(didnt intend to fold unless it got crazy like you said) I should have put something more along the lines of what you said... if action goes insane then fold after the flat call. Wouldn't that be "second hand low?" ie. flat calling a raise to induce action behind you...? Old school terminology maybe, but standard play now that i use depending on how active the players behind me have been. But i agree with you threeven, didn't mean to leave info that can get misconstrued. Im not that BADBADBAD haha. Thanksfor the input guys.
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