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  1. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2008 (11/4/2008 10:09pm)

    How do you calculate ICM for steps payout? What is your play here.

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    pokerstars Game #21769041345: Tournament #118492138, $75+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/11/04 21:51:30 ET
    Table '118492138 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: HARTBRKR111 (3700 in chips)
    Seat 2: Scarletknigh (1470 in chips)
    Seat 3: kaymil (2010 in chips)
    Seat 5: mouchasse (720 in chips)
    Seat 7: Dravasc (1765 in chips)
    Seat 8: joshiealah (3735 in chips)
    Seat 9: Menace_b (100 in chips) is sitting out
    HARTBRKR111: posts the ante 25
    Scarletknigh: posts the ante 25
    kaymil: posts the ante 25
    mouchasse: posts the ante 25
    Dravasc: posts the ante 25
    joshiealah: posts the ante 25
    Menace_b: posts the ante 25
    joshiealah: posts small blind 200
    Menace_b: posts big blind 75 and is all-in
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kaymil [8d 8s]
    HARTBRKR111: folds
    Scarletknigh: raises 1245 to 1445 and is all-in
    kaymil:
  2. scarletknigh scarletknigh is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2008 (11/4/2008 10:13pm) in reply to kmil420

    I don't know how to calculate the ICM here, but to let you know I shoved with ATo. So we would have been flipping. I'm surprised you don't call with 88 there. I would have
  3. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 6:15am) in reply to kmil420

    Put a custom payout structure into your ICM calculator, it is usually something like .45, .45, .1 from memory for steps?

    Using that:
    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>UTG+1</TD><TD><TD><TD>22.5%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K7s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>UTG+2</TD><TD><TD>7.5%, 77+ ATs+ AJo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>2.1%, JJ+ AKs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>3.5%, TT+ AKs AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD>15.5%, 44+ A5s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>10.3%, 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD>8.7%, 77+ ATs+ ATo+ KQs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>3.5%, TT+ AKs AKo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>14.0%, 44+ A5s+ A9o+ KTs+ KQo </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>100.0%, Any two</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    So a theoretical call, but keep in mind that we are a fair way from the money, and ICM isnt always a great model this far out, as well as assuming all players play optimally.
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 6:46am) in reply to djkelly69

    DJKelly, the payouts are different in a Step 3.
    First and Second place get a Step 4, while Third - Fifth get a Step 3.
    Buy-in is $82, 1st & 2nd = $215 win, 3rd-5th = $82 win.
    1st 32%
    2nd 32%
    3rd 12%
    4th 12%
    5th 12%
    6th-9th 0%

    How different would the above calculations change under this premise?
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 7:00am) in reply to wackyJaxon

    seems to me that this should be a easy shove, scarletknight's range should be really wide with his stack being 1400 and the 400 bb coming up next hand

    still 7 people in, 6 after the bb that is sitting out is eliminated, I dont like to wait around because theirs no guarntee you cash (top 5) although mouch is pretty low, this all considered if you are goin for the win
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 7:53am) in reply to mcc3504

    based on the payout structure I think it could be a fold. It is very doublful that Menace_b will survive and with mouchasse having less than a sb+bb+antes he will have to win a hand to not go out 6th in the next 5 hands. Not to mention the other stacks around 1500. I think you play to make top five then go for the top two. In a turbo stt its a call. Step 3 maybe not.
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 10:21am) in reply to kmil420

    Just change the payout structure to 215, 215, 82, 82, 82
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 10:49am) in reply to Jennifear

    Anybody have a link to an ICM calculator that allows you to input a custom payout structure?
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 10:51am) in reply to reb3186

    Any read on the villian has he been active ???
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 10:53am) in reply to Jennifear

    Fold. shoving is good, calling is bad.
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 11:09am) in reply to kmil420

    Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this:

    ICM Nash Calculator Results

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>UTG+1</TD><TD><TD><TD>12.5%, 44+ A9s+ A5s AJo+ K9s+ KQo QTs+ JTs<<this is what he should be pushing</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>UTG+2</TD><TD><TD>1.8%, JJ+ <<if he is pushing the above, this is your optimal calling range</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    88 is a clear fold here. You need a monster to call.
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    Nov 5th, 2008 (11/5/2008 4:00pm) in reply to kmil420

     
    Originally Posted by kmil420 View Post

    Anybody have a link to an ICM calculator that allows you to input a custom payout structure?

    I generally use:
    http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...alculator.html

    In the structure box, change the amounts to reprepsent the payout structure eg. standard SNG .5,.3,.2, satellite .33, .33, .33, etc.

    However I think this one is limited to 4 payouts, so it is more for SNG spots than satellites.
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