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Stinger88 your thoughts please

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  1. badpab2 badpab2 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:17pm)

    You just knocked me out the 100r on stars with AQ vs 99.

    Just wondered how you called my all in with AQ after I re-re raised you. I know you are a very good player and have played you a bit on UB, my name there is pirate-pab.

    I cant see how u can call of all those chips, 200k pot with bb at 3k, with AQ.
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  2. TomHimself TomHimself is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:27pm) in reply to badpab2

    he had the heart and commitment-tony g
  3. JPitt09 JPitt09 is offline Royals Fan, lol

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:36pm) in reply to TomHimself

    Great players know that having a big stack going in to the final table is key to winning the tournament.

    Pitt
  4. badpab2 badpab2 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:41pm) in reply to badpab2

    He can only beat a complete bluff by calling all those chips, for me to re-re raise my range is everything that is front of AQ, with the majority having AQ crushed.

    ok here is the full hand history, i think AQ is a bad call IMO

    pokerstars Game #5237577475: Tournament #26171629, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit -
    Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/06/12 - 23:06:57 (ET)
    Table '26171629 15' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: jasonkobe (39624 in chips)
    Seat 3: r0bi25 (62750 in chips)
    Seat 4: lilholdem954 (56250 in chips)
    Seat 5: beck_AA (62380 in chips)
    Seat 6: Paolo69 (87448 in chips)
    Seat 7: $tinger 88 (122755 in chips)
    Seat 8: JOEYTHEB (55430 in chips)
    Seat 9: The Shrike (25189 in chips)
    jasonkobe: posts the ante 150
    r0bi25: posts the ante 150
    lilholdem954: posts the ante 150
    beck_AA: posts the ante 150
    Paolo69: posts the ante 150
    $tinger 88: posts the ante 150
    JOEYTHEB: posts the ante 150
    The Shrike: posts the ante 150
    JOEYTHEB: posts small blind 1500
    The Shrike: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Paolo69 [9h 9s]
    kustud [observer] said, "ARGENTINA all the WAY"
    jasonkobe: folds
    r0bi25: folds
    lilholdem954: folds
    beck_AA: folds
    Paolo69: raises 5500 to 8500
    jasonkobe said, "RONALDINHO"
    $tinger 88: raises 15500 to 24000
    JOEYTHEB: folds
    The Shrike: folds
    Paolo69: raises 63298 to 87298 and is all-in
    $tinger 88: calls 63298
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    *** FLOP *** [Ac 8d 4d]
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "hold!"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    *** TURN *** [Ac 8d 4d] [Kd]
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    Rejas_87 [observer] said, "SHIP IT"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    lilholdem954 said, "huge flip"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    *** RIVER *** [Ac 8d 4d Kd] [3d]
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jsup [observer] said, "q"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    jasonkobe said, "gg"
    jsup [observer] said, "a"
    TTopGun21 [observer] said, "GG"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Paolo69: shows [9h 9s] (a pair of Nines)
    $tinger 88: shows [Qs Ah] (a pair of Aces)
    lilholdem954 said, "nh"
    jsup [observer] said, "gg"
    TTopGun21 [observer] said, "nh"
    $tinger 88 collected 180296 from pot
    jsup [observer] said, "race ninja"
    hockeystud94 [observer] said, "ship it"
    $tinger 88 said, "gg"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 180296 | Rake 0
    Board [Ac 8d 4d Kd 3d]
    Seat 2: jasonkobe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: r0bi25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: lilholdem954 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: beck_AA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Paolo69 showed [9h 9s] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 7: $tinger 88 (button) showed [Qs Ah] and won (180296) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 8: JOEYTHEB (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: The Shrike (big blind) folded before Flop
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  5. BigBadDevil BigBadDevil is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:46pm) in reply to badpab2

    - he called 63k to win a pot that was 115k. (almost 2:1)
    - only 4 hands dominate him AK AA KK QQ
    - if he loses he still has 35k (which is totally playable)
    - if he wins he has a HUGE chipstack

    easy call.
  6. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:53pm) in reply to BigBadDevil

    Ummm....exactly what BigBaddevil said....plus he might think you could be putting him on a resteal and shoving with hands like AJ..A10...KQ suited etc.....
  7. TomHimself TomHimself is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2006 (6/12/2006 11:57pm) in reply to BigBadDevil

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 34.2015 % 31.18% 03.02% { AhQs }
    Hand 2: 65.7985 % 62.78% 03.02% { TT+, AQs+, 86s, AKo }

    i think thats a reasonable range for a 3bet AI, i put 86s in because u might be capable of 3betting because u know he might be raising light on the button.

    if we take out 86s stingers equity drops to about 28% so the call is borderline
  8. badpab2 badpab2 is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 12:00am) in reply to Zota15

    I wouldnt be re-re raisng the only guy at the table that can bust me with AJ KQ etc.. as that is just dumb play, if im called i have almost no chance to be in front.

    I felt i was represting AA- QQ or AK, and could get a lot of hands to pass and just didnt feel AQ was a good enough hand to call in that spot.

    I have no quarms about the result as it did boil down to a race but if I had the AQ im sure i would have passed and preserved my 100k plus stack and gone back to work picking up all the small pots.

    Plus stars is the only site im not winning consistently on,

    F lee jones
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  9. apestyles apestyles is offline Moderator

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 12:12am) in reply to badpab2

    um, not trying to be rude but you only had a mid pair. Both reads were right I guess...
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  10. Sikta Sikta is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 12:28am) in reply to TomHimself

    <span>"</span><span>{ TT+, AQs+, 86s, AKo }"</span>

    so the hand he actually had wasnt within his possible range of hands?
  11. Stinger885 Stinger885 is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 1:06am) in reply to Sikta

    It wasn't the first time you raised in the CO and I reraised on the button. I thought you might repush a somewhat wide range because of that. Also, I was getting 2-1 odds. I think I should've just made a larger committing reraise, or even allin, but I just felt that given the odds and the way we were playing in LP I had to go all the way with AQ.
     
  12. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 1:07am) in reply to Sikta

    So....reraising allin with AJ or KQ trying to represent a huge hand is a stupid, dumb play that you would never dream of doing....but jamming with a small pair in the same spot is a great play? (i say small pair because 99 might as well be 22 when playing a 3 bet allin pot this huge)
  13. Jsup Jsup is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 1:09am) in reply to badpab2

    whos that annoying fucking asshole on the rail rooting for stinger....god i hate that....18k shipped to stinger turned out to be a decent call....win a race be chipleader steamroll final table yawn....i prob fold aq there but thats because im stupid have no balls and lose 100% of races.....gg stinger
  14. TomHimself TomHimself is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 1:13am) in reply to Sikta

    <span>"</span><span>{ TT+, AQs+, 86s, AKo }"</span>

    so the hand he actually had wasnt within his possible range of hands?

    thats the range i would give him if i was at the table playing with him with no reads
  15. acecatcher26 acecatcher26 is offline

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    Jun 13th, 2006 (6/13/2006 6:30am) in reply to Jsup

    Stinger did win a huge pot with pkt nines against an overpair, I think JJ if i remember correctly. After that it was all $tinger, this guy is a beast.
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