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  1. wrckngbll wrckngbll is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2011 (1/18/2011 7:52am)

    Wondering what peoples thoughts are on this play... calling a pre flop raise from blinds then shoving flop. I dont do it a whole lot but i have noticed that when holding small to mid pairs in the blinds my opponents overcards hit on turn or river... of course its a complete guess as to whether opponent hit flop when there is only one card over T... and its a disater when shoving an under pair to opponents hand with 2 to come but on flipside opp going to miss flop 1/3 with un paired hole cards.

    Related to this is desirability of seeing all five cards with AK/AQ/AJ/KQ - i much prefer to shove these hands (not so much KQ but depends on villain).

    Thoughts?
     
  2. TonyJ TonyJ is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2011 (1/18/2011 3:47pm) in reply to wrckngbll

    I would say that is quite a lot more gambling than I'm comfortable with. I like to play ABC poker and just stick with the basics of playing TAG.
  3. ImAmOnStEr ImAmOnStEr is offline

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    Jan 18th, 2011 (1/18/2011 7:31pm) in reply to TonyJ

    i like this play in middle to late stage mtt play
    esp when your hand is too good to fold and 3b is akward
    stack sizes. 2 days ago i used it and it got thru
    ex: i called a middle position raise with 77 with just under 30bb
    flop was 882 and i shove around 25bb on the flop. i like shoving
    more than check raising because any c bet he makes will give
    him great odds to call the check-shove with 2 overs (most likely)
    keep in mind this is post antee so the pot is already bloated.
  4. wrckngbll wrckngbll is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 12:17pm) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    agree that 77 is likely good on an 882 flop.

    its the flops with one or two overs esp A-T that are more difficult. check folding a three high card flop basically turns the flat call pf into a set mine at terrible price.

    do you open shove 77 on an AJT flop?
     
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  5. ImAmOnStEr ImAmOnStEr is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2011 (1/19/2011 11:38pm) in reply to wrckngbll

     
    Originally Posted by wrckngbll View Post

    agree that 77 is likely good on an 882 flop.

    its the flops with one or two overs esp A-T that are more difficult. check folding a three high card flop basically turns the flat call pf into a set mine at terrible price.

    do you open shove 77 on an AJT flop?

    im abandoning the stop n go on an unfavorable flop such as ^^
    where it likely hits opponents range with at least a pair or
    combo draw. I c/f there.
  6. ImAmOnStEr ImAmOnStEr is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 10:18pm) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    Also ftr, i dont really consider it set mining in spots like this.
    basically ur looking for a seemingly safe flop to put it in
    including the times u dont hit a set.
  7. Dr.Guillotine Dr.Guillotine is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 11:38pm) in reply to ImAmOnStEr

    Stop and goes don't work in low stakes tourneys often expect for around the final table. I'll do the move with high cards. Lol JT is a high card for me. I really like doing it with suited connectors and medium PPs. So basically my whole range.

    I do remember jamming a A3Jr board with 94o and I got snapped off by KJ in a live donkament for a final table bubble bust. I'll do them on big big little boards, coordinated boards, paired boards, 3-flush low card boards, but never high coordinated and high coordinated 3-flush boards. Basically I'll jam 87%+ boards so I don't sweat the boards where I call and check fold.

    on an AJT board tho, what folds?
  8. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 11:59pm) in reply to Dr.Guillotine

    started to do it more lately and i m pretty happy about how it works
    basically whenever i feel like i have no fold equity, and i m short, and i have a somewhat decent hand
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