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  1. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 3:55pm)

    Just curious...do you guys think Stuey could be as effective today as he was when he played? I dont mean to doubt his talent by any means....I consider him to the the best player to ever live. But, I was thinking...Im not sure that pure aggression would be as effective today as it used to be. You really cant "run over" tourneys anymore. At any level (especially because of the qualifiers) you just run into too many donkeys who will call you and get lucky. What do you guys think? Think hed still be winning 3 WSOP main event with 5600 people in them?
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  2. delhi delhi is offline

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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:00pm) in reply to supermoves

    he is long time dead
    R.I.P
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:02pm) in reply to supermoves

    I think he would be like Johnny Chan, Doyle, Harrington and Helmuth......great players who had huge success when the average field was 250. No doubt Stu was gifted. WSOP at 5600, with players who have learned in two years what used to take 10. Not saying he couldn't do it, but much tougher.
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:03pm) in reply to delhi

    I think if he was alive today, he would still be the best player out there. We would of seen him win several WPT events and WSOP events. What a shame, that he missed the "poker boom".
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:05pm) in reply to PokerScars

    Umm, Harrington made 2 final tables in a row with huge fields...
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:05pm) in reply to supermoves

    Yup.

    He was a phenomenal card counter. That kind of memory allows one to note and remember every little nuance of other people's play. Chip Reese tells a story about busting out of the Main Event and playing in a side Gin Rummy game while Stu was still playing poker at the next table. After winning a hand, he leaned over and asked Stu how he liked that play. Stu's response was something about it being OK, but how he would have knocked for 1 three draws earlier.

    Not only was he taking down one of his bracelets but he had enough bandwidth left over to keep perfect track of a side game of Gin on the next table.

    In addition, he had an uncanny ability to read other people's hands, often calling out their cards down to the suit.

    With those talents, he could beat a field of 20,000... as long as he stayed straight and sober.
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:17pm) in reply to Dunce

    I would like to say that Stu played VASTLY different style than the other pros. I think it was eric sidel who said something like "Stu was an aggressive player, which was also his weakness. One thing you never heard about Stu was "he made a great laydown". Harrington, Chan, Doyle...all great players...all play MUCH different than Stu...Stuey was raw math, raw aggression and great reading ability...and he could remember how opponants played hand MONTHS before...
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:19pm) in reply to dedheadsteve

    Nice quote, that is half the reason Dan Harrington is by FAR my favorite poker player right now. The other half is that unlike SOME people (ahem... jennifer harman...) he doesnt just "go by feel" but makes sure literally EVER SINGLE THING he does in the entire tournament has some form of mathematical correctness to it. If you read harrington on holdem 1, and 2, ull know what I mean by this. Harrington is a BEAST!!!!
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:31pm) in reply to Dunce

    AWESOME TAKE, MAN, THANK YOU ! TRULY RIGHT ON POINT!
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:32pm) in reply to Dunce

    I WAS REFERRING TO DUNCE...:)
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 4:48pm) in reply to mamalove11

    "Think hed still be winning 3 WSOP main event with 5600 people in them?"
    Obviously not.
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 6:22pm) in reply to dedheadsteve

    uhhhhhhh, yes he did. It was not the point I was making.
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 10:03pm) in reply to Python49

    he would be my best customer i thin k : 0-
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 10:20pm) in reply to mamalove11

    Stu Ungar is the greatest of all time. I have no doubt that he could dominate any tournament 50% sober. He was that good.
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    Oct 8th, 2005 (10/8/2005 11:29pm) in reply to dedheadsteve

    Raymer has equally as close, is he as talented as Harrington. No.
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    Oct 9th, 2005 (10/9/2005 12:28am) in reply to Dunce

    "as long as he stayed straight and sober" Dunce, you mean that if he turned gay, things would have been different?

    Sorry, I know you what you meant. Just thought this thread needed a light touch.

    But my opinion would be NO, he wouldn't be good enough today. His brain would have been fried by drugs by now if he kept up the pace he was setting at that time. Anyone reading this take the hint????
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    Oct 9th, 2005 (10/9/2005 2:07am) in reply to supermoves

    Doyle brunson said stu ungar was the best tournament player ever, he was no doubt the best player ever, with the big fields today he wouldnt win as much but still be the best. quote from ungar "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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