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stud8 hand, plz help!

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  1. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 3:42pm)

    Wondering if I should just let it go on 6th street.

    pokerstars Game #11703536114: Tournament #58540746, $3.00+$0.30 HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level X (270/540) - 2007/08/26 - 14:24:21 (ET)
    Table '58540746 32' 8-max
    Seat 1: duke48 (7393 in chips)
    Seat 2: GuySmiley 13 (9449 in chips)
    Seat 3: crazyphil77 (4063 in chips)
    Seat 4: shanetrain22 (8411 in chips)
    Seat 6: fishnbrews (14709 in chips)
    Seat 7: like2win12 (13546 in chips)
    Seat 8: penangpam (3087 in chips)
    fishnbrews: posts the ante 54
    like2win12: posts the ante 54
    penangpam: posts the ante 54
    duke48: posts the ante 54
    GuySmiley 13: posts the ante 54
    crazyphil77: posts the ante 54
    shanetrain22: posts the ante 54
    *** 3rd STREET ***
    Dealt to duke48 [Qs]
    Dealt to GuySmiley 13 [Th]
    Dealt to crazyphil77 [Ac]
    Dealt to shanetrain22 [3d 8d 2d]
    Dealt to fishnbrews [7d]
    Dealt to like2win12 [3h]
    Dealt to penangpam [5s]
    shanetrain22: brings in for 81
    fishnbrews: calls 81
    like2win12: calls 81
    penangpam: calls 81
    duke48: raises 189 to 270
    GuySmiley 13: folds
    crazyphil77: calls 270
    shanetrain22: calls 189
    fishnbrews: calls 189
    like2win12: calls 189
    penangpam: calls 189
    *** 4th STREET ***
    Dealt to duke48 [Qs] [Qd]
    Dealt to crazyphil77 [Ac] [6s]
    Dealt to shanetrain22 [3d 8d 2d] [Ad]
    Dealt to fishnbrews [7d] [3c]
    Dealt to like2win12 [3h] [8s]
    Dealt to penangpam [5s] [2h]
    duke48: bets 270
    crazyphil77: folds
    shanetrain22: calls 270
    fishnbrews: folds
    like2win12: calls 270
    EbonyAdder is connected
    penangpam: calls 270
    *** 5th STREET ***
    Dealt to duke48 [Qs Qd] [Jc]
    Dealt to shanetrain22 [3d 8d 2d Ad] [Td]
    Dealt to like2win12 [3h 8s] [Ah]
    Dealt to penangpam [5s 2h] [6c]
    duke48: bets 540
    shanetrain22: raises 540 to 1080
    like2win12: calls 1080
    penangpam: calls 1080
    duke48: calls 540
    *** 6th STREET ***
    Dealt to duke48 [Qs Qd Jc] [Jd]
    Dealt to shanetrain22 [3d 8d 2d Ad Td] [5h]
    Dealt to like2win12 [3h 8s Ah] [Js]
    Dealt to penangpam [5s 2h 6c] [As]
    duke48: bets 540
    shanetrain22: calls 540
    like2win12: calls 540
    penangpam: raises 540 to 1080
    duke48: raises 540 to 1620
    shanetrain22: ???
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  2. doylefish doylefish is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 4:01pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    Wow....

    Now that IS difficult.

    I think if you decide to play 6th Street, then I think you have to commit.

    If you call, then you have to put more in the pot. Duke could have two pair, given his 3rd raise. (A hidden PP.) But its close.

    A laydown would be a VERY disciplined play, and probably good a lot of the time.

    You have to make an assesment on the hand before calling on 6th. A call old is pretty weak.

    Tough situation man. Get a read on any of them?
  3. just sick just sick is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 5:47pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    Yep, that's very tough.

    First, I realize it's $3 HORSE, so getting anyone to fold isn't impossible, but it is standing right next to it. However, it also means your opponents are more likely to have some surprising garbage in the hole. Thus and therefore...........

    Raise 4th. You're second to act, charge those clowns behind you and the clown in front playing a high only hand. Make them make the mistake of cold calling 2 bets. You're showing a very scary board, one or two might actually fold. meh

    Assuming things stay the same on 5th, as in no one folds, it'll probably check to you. Here's where you see where you are. If you bet the made low will raise and reveal itself, so you'll know who it is, and it'll cost you two bets. If you check the made low will bet, showing the same thing but saving you one bet. If no one is made it'll check around. By raising 4th you saved yourself 2 big bets on 5th. Assuming everything stays the same to 6th you can now call down.

    As hard as it is to call 6th, I think you have to. You've still got outs to help you on 7th, and it's no sure thing that you're not good for half here already.
  4. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 6:55pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    duke48 completed on 3rd street (his most likely holding is split [Q]'s with a kicker).
    duke48 he pairs his door card on 4th street now he most likiely has trips. Since you have a bad low draw [8], you should fold since you are going for have the pot. Many of the low cards to complete your wheel are falling in other hands.

    You contiinued until sixth street and the the only card that will assure that you collect any money is a [4] or maybe a [6]. You're beat for low if penagpam has a [3],[4],[7]. Since no [4] is on board it's a good bet that he has a [4]. If you don't read signs and fold on sixth street, you'll be going home because you'll probably drawing to 1/2 of the low if you catch a [4]. I don't think you can count on gettiing the high.

    If you call the raise on 6th street you will need to call off 7th for the odds, even if you go broke.

    You should have folded on 3rd street in stead of completing after duke48's raise.
  5. just sick just sick is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 11:02pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    fold 3rd?? against a clown playing high only, with a sooted 3 low?? way too tight for a $3 turny.
  6. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2007 (8/28/2007 11:10pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    thanks for the replies.

    no reads on anyone, but i really don't think getting a read on this hand is all that important. for the most part, in small stakes stud when you're in a multi-way pot... the cards do all the talking. with that said, i just can't see duke playing the way he did on 6th without having a boat. he played strong through the whole hand, so for him to just have 2 pair would be so attrocious (not impossible in a $3 tourney, but highly doubtful). seemed to me that i ws only plying for the low, and penangpam's raise on 6th made it pretty obvious that he/she had at least a decent made low... 8 at the worst, and even then i'm drawing slim to beat him/her (plus some of my wheel outs were obviously gone). so...i just gave it up and said whatever... i still had over 6K in chips which is still enough to make a run with.

    and to the idea of just folding on 3rd... why? to one raise? i have 3 low cards (yeah, the 8 isn't great) and only 2 other diamonds are out on 4th street. given the structure of these small HORSE tournies, you HAVE to try to build your stack in situtions like this.
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