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  1. Since there's a problem with multi-accounting and underage youth, wouldn't it be an appropriate idea to enforce ALL players to send in a copy of their ID to confirm their age and identity?

    As an result, it'll get rid of the underage people (no offense to them) and it'll stop most of the multi-accounting going on.

    edit: everyone can make their own suggestions.
  2. I don't think it will do much to stop multi-accounting. Serious multi-accounts have friends create accounts for them with valid id's.
  3. True, but at the same time we can find out who should and will be held accountable for certain actions.
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  4. In regards to underage playing, you do realize that the sites currently use the U.S. government's accepted way to verify adult status, namely a credit card, right? I can just see how well other online businesses would do, such as porn sites, were they required to follow the protocol you suggest.
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  5. It's not difficult to get your parent's credit card information.

    edit: also, most people can easily get a prepaid credit card, iirc.
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  6. So you suggest we should require tighter regulations for online gambling than for any other business? I don't see why one business should be singled out when their are so many "addictive" things one can do online, such as porn, mmorpg's, etc.
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  7. Well, online poker is under fire atm compared to porn and mmorpg.
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  8. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>"Well, online poker is under fire atm compared to porn and mmorpg."

    Because thieves have been caught, not because they are getting away with it. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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  9. "Because thieves have been caught, not because they are getting away with it."

    Where there is smoke there is fire.
  10. Where there is internet, there are conspiracy theories. Provide proof Richard or please stop insinuating that all online poker is rigged.
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  11. My Suggestions for regulating online poker / curbing multi-accounting:

    Legal gambling age in the USA is 21, it should be the same for all online US Players. The qualifying age to play online for money, should match whatever age is legal in that players home country.

    Legal drinking age is 21 in USA and 18 or 19 in Canada, however a 19 year old US citizen cannot order liquor online from canada, why should they be allowed to play poker for money online?

    Every account should have a SSN attached to it (or whatever legal taxing number is appropriate for a players home country). This would help prevent multi-accounting, because if junior makes a big score on "mom's" account, she would get a W2-G and be responsible for the taxes. This accountability is also essential for governments to make sure taxes are being paid on income.

    If we survive this AP scandal and stars WCOOP scandal, and the US decides to regulate online poker, I believe these 2 concepts will / should be implemented.

    Feel free to flame away, but you will be hard pressed to make a case why underage US players should be allowed to play online, especially with some bragging that they can multi-account at will.
  12. Legal gambling age in the USA is 21, it should be the same for all online US Players.

    Not true. This differs by state and kind of gambling. Most states allow you to buy lottery tickets at 18, some states allow you to play at casinos at the age of 18 and some states allow you to play bingo as young as 16.

    Every account should have a SSN attached to it (or whatever legal taxing number is appropriate for a players home country).

    With the growing problem of identity theft, I certainly don't want my SSN in any more spots than it needs to be
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  13. So, make the age match the players home state. Most states are 21, some are 18. I don't know any that allow 16 year olds to play poker for money, and why are you comparing bingo to poker?

    Identity theft is a BS reason, you just don't want to pay taxes or you don't trust the online companies. If you don't trust the online companies then don't play.
  14. I'm not comparing bingo to poker. You stated that the gambling age in the US is 21, I was refuting that. Bingo is a form of gambling. I also don't expect poker sites to taylor their rules on a state by state basis. How do they know what state you are playing in? They don't, just check the recent thread about the reopening of Doyle's room to US customers. As for the SSN argument, can you imagine the kinds of things that could have been done to us by the thieves at AP if they'd had our SSN's? While I may mostly trust the poker sites that doesn't mean that I am willing to volunteer information like that when it isn't necessary.
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  15. By the way, Maine laws allow people to play in casinos at the age of 16, which is where poker falls in the scheme of gambling laws. Many states don't allow gambling at any age in casinos, should residents of those states then not be allowed to play poker online either? Click the link below to see how difficult it would be for online gambling sites to follow minimum age laws on a state by state basis.

    http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/..._age_chart.htm
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  16. I believe that chart is mistaken, minimum casino age in Maine is 18.

    http://500nations.com/casinos/500Min...cPage=Oklahoma

    If a state doesn't allow gambling at any age then you should not be able to circumvent the local laws and play online in that state. We must abide by the laws of where we live, online is not some kind of free pass to violate local laws.

    It would not be hard at all to set up software that verifies the age requirements in your home state when you sign up / send in your credentials.
  17. How do they know what state you are playing in? Why should online gambling sites have to follow the rules a state has for B&M casinos when the states clearly differentiate between the two?
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  18. I believe your IP Address can be resolved to where you are logged in from, so you can be blocked by the site if you are not legal for the location you are in.

    If online poker is to survive, it must become better regulated and it needs to follow local regulations. The Kahnawake Gaming Commission has totally dropped the ball with their so called regulations up to this point. We can only hope that sites are more accountable to the KGC or some other true regulating entity, so we don't get anymore scandals like AP.
  19. Oh hell, even if sites used fingerprint or retina scan technology, multi-accounters would just pay some college buddies or bum on the street. To regulate poker, you would have to legalize and move all servers to U.S. territory and create some regulatory agency to constantly monitor all activites 24/7. It will never happen. PLAY LIVE and hope nobody is marking cards or acting in collusion.
  20. There are many problems with using the IP address. Obviously the 1st one is it can be "spoofed" to look like you are logging in from somewhere else. The 2nd problem is you could be living in NJ, near NYC and your ISP is located in NYC making it seem like you are playing from NY. The 3rd problem is if you are using a broadband card, the site would really have no idea where you are playing from since the IP will show the same info no matter what state you are in.
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  21. Why do you all think online poker has to follow US laws? If the servers are located in forgien country they would follow their sovereign laws. They don't have to find what state you are from nor should they be asked to. The US cannot and should not ask a sovereign nation to change or amend their laws. I belive that regulation is usually a bad idea. The free market can solve almost everything and regulation simply gets in its way. If poker must be regulated the process would be very simple. Let the KGC dome up with a list of regulations. Though I do question how an indian tribe has the right and power to place regulations on every poker site. I think the regulatory comisssion, if one HAD to be created, would have to be made by the leaders of the industry.
  22. STOP! I mistakenly read this thread and it is making me dumber.
  23. I agree with most of that. The reason the KGC has the right to regulate the sites is because they locate their servers in their jurisdiction.
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  24. Ahhh, OK I didn't realize that all the servers were located there. I thought the servers were in places like Antigua, Isle of Man, and Costa Rica.
  25. Players should unite for self-regulation. You've just proven your ability to influence the industry. There are thousands of you with all the resources required to do this. If thousands of poker players join together in a formal fashion, the sites will have to pay attention to you.

    You've got lawyers, accountants, IT experts and MBAs - and financial resources...everything it would take to formalize a group. I don't want to say "union" - but that is close to what I am describing. It's your money supporting these sites - you are the consumers.

    Develop a logo...award it to sites who agree to follow the rules you specify, including guidelines for investigation and resolution of issues like suspected cheating.

    Unite and influence!!!

    You can flame this idea if you wish, but remember that out of every wild, crazy "brainstorming" kind of idea, there could be something that is worth pursuing. There are "consumer" groups, players' unions, actors guilds, etc. There are huge numbers of players who would probably be happy to join an organization dedicated to online poker whose mission is to provide a fair and ethical playing environment... and avoid the imposition of laws developed by lawmakers who don't have a clue.
  26. "I belive that regulation is usually a bad idea. The free market can solve almost everything and regulation simply gets in its way. If poker must be regulated the process would be very simple. "

    I was an Ann Ryand fan at one point, but i don't think online poker can survive without meaningful regulation.
  27. "Players should unite for self-regulation. You've just proven your ability to influence the industry. There are thousands of you with all the resources required to do this. If thousands of poker players join together in a formal fashion, the sites will have to pay attention to you. "

    Disagree. Lots of players notified AP about potripper and his gang, AP denied it all. It was by accidental release of information their backs were pinned to the wall. If it wasn't for that excel file this would have been swept under the rug.
  28. I disagree, online poker has been going pretty damn strong for several years with no meaningful regulation.
  29. There's a big difference between individuals notifying AP vs. an organization of thousands notifying AP. Try to think beyond this specific incident. And if the "individuals" came to the organization and asked for an investigation, perhaps the guidelines would have required AP to hand over the HH to the organization. And then the organization would have some "say" in how AP responds/reacts/reimburses.

    And my suggestion is intended to go beyond this specific situation...you all can let regulation come to you, or you can create your own legislation that most likely would create/maintain the type of playing environment you really want. And you could have the power of thousands of players behind each and every one of you.

    I don't agree with Dyzalot on everything, but in this case he's right on. You really don't want the US Government to get their legislative "hands" into regulating online poker.
  30. The PPA could probably do a pretty good job at self regulation, which sits a lot better with me than government regulation.