I made what I thought was the right decision here, but a player I respect told me that I messed up so I'm just checking my line. Thoughts on what to do here? I don't want bias so I won't post what I did or the results until I'm satisfied I got enough responses.

pokerstars Game #48859640079: Tournament #327020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (500/1000) - 2010/08/29 19:23:14 ET
Table '327020010 285' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (31646 in chips)
Seat 2: SyrahJenNe (35981 in chips)
Seat 3: OMGitshunt (29189 in chips)
Seat 4: roo_400 (38603 in chips)
Seat 5: tykayden (44607 in chips)
Seat 6: b1jack2 (24910 in chips)
Seat 7: swat52 (18228 in chips)
Seat 8: alc26 (21579 in chips)
Seat 9: ZipD (30328 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 75
SyrahJenNe: posts the ante 75
OMGitshunt: posts the ante 75
roo_400: posts the ante 75
tykayden: posts the ante 75
b1jack2: posts the ante 75
swat52: posts the ante 75
alc26: posts the ante 75
ZipD: posts the ante 75
b1jack2: posts small blind 500
swat52: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Jd Kh]
alc26 has timed out
alc26: folds
alc26 is sitting out
ZipD: folds
PunkinBear: raises 1288 to 2288
SyrahJenNe: folds
OMGitshunt: folds
roo_400: folds
tykayden: folds
b1jack2: calls 1788
swat52: calls 1288
*** FLOP *** [6h 2h Ac]
b1jack2: checks
swat52: checks
PunkinBear: checks
*** TURN *** [6h 2h Ac] [7h]
b1jack2: bets 2000
swat52: calls 2000
PunkinBear: ??

Being a relatively well known player like you. I'd def c bet that flop in pos. You may just possibly take it Down there. If your getting flatted on the flop or raised you can take your villan having Ah/rag into the range. Then it might make your turn decision a little bit easier. Just My personal thoughts. Hope it helps.

I'd C-bed the flop for about half pot. As played then i'd def call turn.

I'd probably c-bet the flop more often than not, but there are certainly times I'll just check behind as well. Some guys really establish themselves as check-raise whores, so it's better not to throw more in the pot when you're going to have to give it up.

Calling the turn has no benefit, IMO. You could easily be drawing dead, and you're not going to get paid enough from someone with a T or J of hearts to give you any sort of implied odds.

The little turn bet and simple call looks REALLY weak, though...like, "please steal me, Ms. Punkin". If you were deeper, raising the turn is an interesting play...but it'd suck to raise, then be committing to calling and chasing when you might be screwed.

raise turn to 5800 ish and big bet non h river probably bet fold h river(smallish bet)

Cbet flop for sure, we open from early position so, also depending on what image you created in earlier pots, you look superstrong here. If someone then checkraises we are sure that we are beat. As played I think you have good odds to call the turn bet drawing to the second nuts. Then if we hit we are certainly worried about one of them having the ace of hearts so I would probably c/c any heart river.

i c bet in position after they both checked; as played i call the turn; i do believe missing the c bet and raising the turn u only represent a flush ; i also do believe someone else has the nut flush draw if not already a made flush; anyway my point is when u miss your c bet u dont have an ace and u dont have a set either as most players would bet their set into 2 players with a draw on the board;

so your range is not that wide to them; but when one bets and the other calls u should expect fireworks : the small 2k bet should also worry u- he wants to be paid; also hands like 2 pair would have bet the flop; hands like a set would bet bigger now if let s say the 1st player had it and was hoping for a check raise on the flop
i cant see what they have other than the nut flush draw and a made flush , or at least the ace of hearts and the queen of hearts maybe(this one would be obviously a donk);
i m pretty sure u cant get the ace of hearts to fold when u raise the turn

looking back at the other replies smb said it s better to fold the turn and he s probably right as i alreayd stated i m pretty sure the ace of hearts is out there so yeah, u should have just given up this pot imo; but i wanted to insist on why raising is wrong imo

i like c-bet the flop, and calling the turn, but i doubt u will get much action with worse hands on the river when 4th heart comes, so i understand where youre coming from by folding the turn with low implied odds. The closer the decision you need to make the least it matters bc most of the time the answer is unknowable meaning it can go either way

C-bet flop def, I don't reeeally think you can have a read that would make me not c-bet here. It's just such a nut flop to c-bet, esp when you have some back doors that you can check back OTT and hit if you get called. Also fold turn is by far better than call. Wtf are we doing chasing the 2nd nuts when we're clearly behind and eeeasily drawing dead.

i would cbet the flop, and with the 2nd nut flush draw i would peel the turn too.
but i suck, just saying

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

I'd probably c-bet the flop more often than not, but there are certainly times I'll just check behind as well. Some guys really establish themselves as check-raise whores, so it's better not to throw more in the pot when you're going to have to give it up.

Calling the turn has no benefit, IMO. You could easily be drawing dead, and you're not going to get paid enough from someone with a T or J of hearts to give you any sort of implied odds.

The little turn bet and simple call looks REALLY weak, though...like, "please steal me, Ms. Punkin". If you were deeper, raising the turn is an interesting play...but it'd suck to raise, then be committing to calling and chasing when you might be screwed.

WELL SAID

I think a raise here (~3x) would look very strong and would put a lot of pressure on the original bettor, but could also look very bluffy to a thinking player. Realistically I doubt you pass up a cbet on the flop with the NFD or any strong made hand, and if this is true a raise on the turn makes no sense, but if the original bettor is unlikely to be narrowing your hand range when you check the flop, it is a great raise. You will most certainly find out if the original bettor is holding the nuts, and lose the caller with all weak aces except the Ah. If you get a caller and the river is a heart, you can certainly bet for value and easily get away from it. If the river brings a dud, I think you take down a lot of pots with a very standard bet (def making the Ah weak kicker fold, because he can't put you on raising the come, and no one is bluffing air there). But it seems like I always get told to play ABC because theyre all a buncha monkeys just clicking buttons, and if this is true, a fold never hurts, after all, you're not drawing to the nuts.

edit: Just saw the results, and I feel like if that A10 called the turn raise (very tough to do iyam), he prob wouldn't be folding a non-heart river.