hand just came up villan unknown, can i raise/fold river? wtf...

pokerstars Game #, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/05/02 13:17:42 ET
Table '158090430 28' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Zolee21 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: fabstinho (1340 in chips)
Seat 3: Zoutechamp (4464 in chips)
Seat 4: colonelkosta (2950 in chips)
Seat 5: LexLuthor85 (3010 in chips)
Seat 6: King MicNuts (2870 in chips)
Seat 7: ComeOnPhish (4276 in chips)
Seat 8: witcherd (2845 in chips)
Seat 9: iamgod1234 (2245 in chips)
iamgod1234: posts small blind 10
Zolee21: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to witcherd [Jd Ad]
fabstinho: folds
Zoutechamp: raises 40 to 60
colonelkosta: folds
LexLuthor85: folds
King MicNuts: folds
ComeOnPhish: folds
witcherd: calls 60
iamgod1234: folds
Zolee21: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Ac 7d]
Zoutechamp: bets 100
witcherd: calls 100
*** TURN *** [6s Ac 7d] [6d]
Zoutechamp: checks
witcherd: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s Ac 7d 6d] [3d]
Zoutechamp: bets 350
witcherd: raises 525 to 875
Zoutechamp: raises 3429 to 4304 and is all-in
witcherd: ?????????????

are there enough hands that villians shoves here with that i beat to call, some weird 6, lower flush, aq, ak? he'd have to be pretty bad to shvoe 45 here on river obv... idk any help ya'll...

89dd, 45, 56 - 33 unlikely. Would 77 play it this way at this buy-in level? idk.
More important question is What can you beat and why raise river? I think flatting river is the play after not raising the flop bet for info.

i never call this b4 the flop at this level esp with the 20 minute rounds.

 

Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom

i never call this b4 the flop at this level esp with the 20 minute rounds.

uhhhh why?

 

Originally Posted by trailrated

89dd, 45, 56 - 33 unlikely. Would 77 play it this way at this buy-in level? idk.
More important question is What can you beat and why raise river? I think flatting river is the play after not raising the flop bet for info.

raising the flop is terrible, flatting river is terrible
This is really gross, not sure what I would do here, but I guess fold, since him shoving the river here without a boat is pretty bad

 

Originally Posted by gray31

 

Originally Posted by trailrated

89dd, 45, 56 - 33 unlikely. Would 77 play it this way at this buy-in level? idk.
More important question is What can you beat and why raise river? I think flatting river is the play after not raising the flop bet for info.

raising the flop is terrible, flatting river is terrible
This is really gross, not sure what I would do here, but I guess fold, since him shoving the river here without a boat is pretty bad

so if flatting the river is terrible how is raise folding the better play? wtf are you raising for on the river if your folding to a shove?

 

Originally Posted by trailrated

Raising the river in this spot when you are this deep and early in the tourney on a paired board is optimal? Do you raise river and call the shove? Fuck I am lost and there's no wonder I stick to cash... I just suck at MTT's if this is a +ev play....

lol how would it not be +ev to raise the river??? do you think he is never flatting your river raise and only shoving or folding? there are tons of hands he calls a raise on the river, and very few hands that he would shove imo. so, i think you can raise/fold here, but i also dont think raise/calling is terrible if he has shown to be kinda clownish...

without history, i dont see how the villian ever has anything besides fullhouse.

i did, it was to snap a shove, as i did... but doesnt mean it was right.. wanted some input obv

 

Originally Posted by ronkend

lol i cheated and i'm fairly certain u just got lol'd here.

huh?

results?

 

Originally Posted by benvo123

 

Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom

i never call this b4 the flop at this level esp with the 20 minute rounds.

uhhhh why?

because aj doesnt do to well against utg raisers that i have no reads on.

Gross spot...77 66 33 or 76. small chance of AA. He could also very well have a kqdd hand or other random diamonds. Im prlly payin him off on river, cuz i dont know anything about him. I like raising the river tbh, i think you beat more hands that bet river than beat u.

i fucked up the quote and double quoted so i deleted, but benvo what do you do if he bets 350 on a nondiamond turn?

pretty sure you can't fold the river. he easily could have KQdd or even some worse diamonds i guess

obv he can have AA, 77 or 66, even 33...but those are kind of gross. and i think that you also have to account for the fact that he sometimes just spazzes with AK or osmething like that or a random 6.