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Super sick spot final two tables of 12 180 man

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  1. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:17pm)

    Villain hasn't been out of line at all.. I've seen him open with 88 once and AA flatted and he hit 8 and took pot.. that's it... leaning towards folding since I'm utg

    I don't play these often at all but I was semi active but nothing that tossing a huge raise in here from his position

    Help? Thanks in advance.

    pokerstars Game #35632883454: Tournament #214489296, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2009/11/20 19:12:56 MT [2009/11/20 21:12:56 ET]
    Table '214489296 16' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: pokaqueen781 (13885 in chips)
    Seat 2: DOITDEALER (39928 in chips)
    Seat 3: Twigglet (29684 in chips)
    Seat 4: Goldyjunior (10943 in chips)
    Seat 5: bobmar7 (34915 in chips)
    Seat 6: fholder (12632 in chips)
    Seat 7: casv10 (11239 in chips)
    pokaqueen781: posts the ante 200
    DOITDEALER: posts the ante 200
    Twigglet: posts the ante 200
    Goldyjunior: posts the ante 200
    bobmar7: posts the ante 200
    fholder: posts the ante 200
    casv10: posts the ante 200
    casv10: posts small blind 1000
    pokaqueen781: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DOITDEALER [Js Jh]
    DOITDEALER: raises 2775 to 4775
    Twigglet: folds
    Goldyjunior: folds
    bobmar7: raises 15225 to 20000
    fholder: folds
    casv10: folds
    pokaqueen781: folds
    DOITDEALER said, "such a sick spot"
  2. CORONA225 CORONA225 is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:27pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

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  3. Reoknows Reoknows is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:30pm) in reply to CORONA225

    wtf would pxf say brah. enlighten us mother fucker

    edit- this is a sick spot, I say fold. Is it bad to jam 20bbs pre here?
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:35pm) in reply to Reoknows

    16 BB effective, JJ, all in
     
  5. XNASTYNATEX XNASTYNATEX is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:38pm) in reply to Reoknows

    I think its a tough spot. Don't know the math but i would guess youre like 40-50 percent vs his range. If you think you have a skill edge at the table i'd find a better spot, but that being said if you jam and win youre looking at a top three finish and thats where the money is. Hate these spots.
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:51pm) in reply to Reoknows

     
    Originally Posted by Reoknows View Post

    wtf would pxf say brah. enlighten us mother fucker

    edit- this is a sick spot, I say fold. Is it bad to jam 20bbs pre here?

    Obv. your reraise allin aint gonna budge your opponent brahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. So do you feel lucky or smart, braaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 8:55pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

    Villian is folding 99??
    Villian is folding AQ??
    His whole range is QQ+??

    Seriously, please never fold here....
  8. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 9:25pm) in reply to XNASTYNATEX

     
    Originally Posted by XNASTYNATEX View Post

    I think its a tough spot. Don't know the math but i would guess youre like 40-50 percent vs his range. If you think you have a skill edge at the table i'd find a better spot, but that being said if you jam and win youre looking at a top three finish and thats where the money is. Hate these spots.

    I do think I can handle the table here if I fold, and I raised from UTG and I don't think this guy is really capable of making that raise from his spot with worse than JJ.

    I know Deoxyribo (what does your name mean deoxy?) has been called a nit on this forum in other threads and he says it's auto jam it in, but I just really am not sure.
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 9:43pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

    Please don't fold this... if you're going to raise fold jj with such short stacks, you set yourself up to get slapped around. Plus he's not folding anything and there's no way his range is just qq+ak.
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 9:43pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

    how come my fold button disappears when i get jacks in a 12/180? PSBryan pls help
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 9:47pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

     
    Originally Posted by DOITDEALER View Post

    Deoxyribo (what does your name mean deoxy?)

    It's The D in DNA.

    <span id="main"><span id="search">Deoxyribonucleic acid</span></span>
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 9:56pm) in reply to Niceguy

    open fold
     
  13. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 9:20am) in reply to in4games

    I ended up getting 2nd in this thing

    Did I call and suckout? []

    Did I fold? []
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 9:51am) in reply to DOITDEALER

    To me this is a complete situational play, from the way you describe the villian I probably fold, which is what I think you did also.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 10:17am) in reply to rbsands

    You get 3 bet by a guy who basically made an overbet just to make it obvious hes going with his hand, not that tough/sick spot at all. I'm ranging him no tighter than AJ+ 88+ here; you act like his raise size=strength when it's really irelevant, you guys are <20 bbs deep and this a good spot to get it in.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:53am) in reply to DOITDEALER

    I can't say if my play would be correct or not, but I can tell you what I'd do.

    I would have open pushed JJ. If you run into a big hand, shit happens. You need to be building your stack and picking up pots. 4 people at your table have virtually nitted themselves into nothing and might call you with a wide range to make a stand, especially if you've been picking up a lot of pots (what you should be doing). So many people in these are just trying to make the final table, or to cash. You should be trying to win. Anything less than 3rd is no good in the long run. You want to be in 1st or 2nd when you get to the final table if you can, and preferably by a good margin.

    If Bobmar7 calls you and you happen to win, look at the position you will be in. You'll have way more chips at your table than anybody else, and then can really turn it up and pick up pots and afford to gamble to knock out those short stacks and pick up even more pots. You're probably in 1st place in the whole tournament (something I would consider when making a decision). For me, it's not a "sick spot", it's pretty standard.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 5:16pm) in reply to OlDirtyDawson

    given the info given by OP, it's probably going to be a hellmuthian lay down from myself. you've still got enough chips to stick around for a while and attack other stacks or until you get dealt something a little more scary.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 5:21pm) in reply to Niceguy

     
    Originally Posted by Niceguy View Post


     
    Originally Posted by DOITDEALER View Post

    Deoxyribo (what does your name mean deoxy?)

     

    It's The D in DNA.

    <span id="main"><span id="search">Deoxyribonucleic acid</span></span>

    lol at someone not knowing this. 6th grade science class ftw
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 5:39pm) in reply to doomed222

    i'd be happy i got action, and snap get it in.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 7:22pm) in reply to doomed222

    6th grade wasn't 6 years ago for me like it was you....

    I folded and am okay with it because I was able to outplay the table and take 2nd place... I just really felt the player wasn't doing this with worse seeing how he had been playing.

    Because I only had 20 bbs to start the hand I know I should be happy to get this in but this a 180 man starting with 1500 chips where stacks aren't deep and if it were a non turbo mtt with 3k starting chips I'm obv glad to get it in.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 10:24pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

    folding here is bad
  22. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 10:59pm) in reply to jtphila

    meh, won the next one i played...
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:02pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

     
    Originally Posted by DOITDEALER View Post


    I know I should be happy to get this in but this a 180 man starting with 1500 chips where stacks aren't deep and if it were a non turbo mtt with 3k starting chips I'm obv glad to get it in.

    I think you have your structures confused. Since this is a shallow stacked tournament with a very fast structure, you should be thrilled to get it in with JJ in this spot, even against a massive nit. The only way you could even contemplate a fold button with less than 20 BB's is if this were a really slow structure, and even then I think you'd just be leveling yourself if you thought your edge over the rest of the field was that huge.

    FWIW, I would open-shove the JJ here UTG. Weak players sense weakness from a play like that, and you could easily be called by AK/AQ or even 99-TT. Plus, open-shoving has the added benefit of not allowing you to make a mistake later in the hand, which unfortunately is what happened. Finishing 2nd (or 1st for that matter), is basically irrelevant. There's no reason to connect your end result with your play on this particular hand. Play each hand the absolute best you can, and the results will be what they will be. Use your windfall to make better decisions next time.

    Cheers.
     
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:05pm) in reply to DOITDEALER

     
    Originally Posted by DOITDEALER View Post

    meh, won the next one i played...

    Great job putting my advice to work so quickly... even before I posted it!
     
  25. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:08pm) in reply to Albatross77

     
    Originally Posted by Albatross77 View Post

    I think you have your structures confused. Since this is a shallow stacked tournament with a very fast structure, you should be thrilled to get it in with JJ in this spot, even against a massive nit. The only way you could even contemplate a fold button with less than 20 BB's is if this were a really slow structure, and even then I think you'd just be leveling yourself if you thought your edge over the rest of the field was that huge.

    FWIW, I would open-shove the JJ here UTG. Weak players sense weakness from a play like that, and you could easily be called by AK/AQ or even 99-TT. Plus, open-shoving has the added benefit of not allowing you to make a mistake later in the hand, which unfortunately is what happened. Finishing 2nd (or 1st for that matter), is basically irrelevant. There's no reason to connect your end result with your play on this particular hand. Play each hand the absolute best you can, and the results will be what they will be. Use your windfall to make better decisions next time.

    Cheers.

    obv level not to myself

    i got it in in this OP and sucked out vs AA
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