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  1. I would imagine it is very hard, almost impossible, to achieve elite by only playing 2 tables at a time unless you are playing at the highest stakes.

    Anyway, I have a question. Was going to start a new thread but it is sort of related to this.

    I had a disagreement with a mate who reckons SNE is achievable even with a full time job. Total rubbish is my thinking. What do you reckon?
    How the hell are you meant to achieve SNE while also working 40hrs a week at a normal job. Never gonna happen
  2.  
    Originally Posted by ICE-MAN2776 View Post

    I would imagine it is very hard, almost impossible, to achieve elite by only playing 2 tables at a time unless you are playing at the highest stakes.

    Anyway, I have a question. Was going to start a new thread but it is sort of related to this.

    I had a disagreement with a mate who reckons SNE is achievable even with a full time job. Total rubbish is my thinking. What do you reckon?
    How the hell are you meant to achieve SNE while also working 40hrs a week at a normal job. Never gonna happen

    It's possible you just have to play really high limit sit n go's and lots of them. I work full time and still get in about 30 sit n gos a day or so. At least lastely I have been.
  3.  
    Originally Posted by ICE-MAN2776 View Post

    I would imagine it is very hard, almost impossible, to achieve elite by only playing 2 tables at a time unless you are playing at the highest stakes.

    Anyway, I have a question. Was going to start a new thread but it is sort of related to this.

    I had a disagreement with a mate who reckons SNE is achievable even with a full time job. Total rubbish is my thinking. What do you reckon?
    How the hell are you meant to achieve SNE while also working 40hrs a week at a normal job. Never gonna happen

    it is possible but u have to play high stakes sngs and a lot of them and still put in a ton of hours, averaging maybe 15 sngs and hour with a fee of about $15 per sng about 40hours a week will get you to supernova. so just put in 24hrs on the weekend and then the other 18 during the week. its a fuckin grind
  4.  
    Originally Posted by coolhandkev View Post

    My question to the OP is why do you only play 2 tables? Can your ROI go down by much at all by jumping to 4-6 tables? If you are playing 8 hours a day I assume you have a decent grasp on the game...two tables makes zero sense to me, especially if you are trying to reach SNE. If you could get even half way there with 2 tables imagine what you could do with 4 tables!

    i can't play 4/6 tables of HU 3 at a push.
    not a lot of players can/
    Thread Starter
  5. I bet that by December 31st 2010, you are no were near Supernova Elite playing 50NL HU.
  6.  
    Originally Posted by jamie16119 View Post

    i can't play 4/6 tables of HU 3 at a push.
    not a lot of players can/

    Have you ever looked at your hourly rates playing 2 vs. playing 4 tables? I would venture to guess your ROI goes slightly down but your hourly rate goes slightly up...I would consider taking a look at it. As with anything practice makes perfect, I personally have no problem playing 4 HU tables, but I used to only play HU cash, now I play 6 handed. It was tough at first but you get used to it, for a higher hourly rate it may be worth it for you...
  7. Does anybody know how many players have made SNE so far this year? or a rough estimate on how many SNE's there will be for a year on PS
  8. there is like 8-10 so far this year

    there is 88 on pace

    and Scotty from stars said he expects there to be around 140-150

    Yes you can make it with a job. I beleive DannyOhBoy has a job and Jimmyvjv...has a job and school....

    800k as of last night. Classes started up again last week so I am back in mega grind mode. In addition to passing 800k, last night I also realized something. This summer, when I just had work and poker, I would get home, do nothing for a couple hours, then play for a little bit and play pretty bad. This past week, throwing in school, I work all day, go to class at night, and then rip poker right when I get home until really late. Maybe it is because I am thinking critically 18 hours a day or because I am not overthinking the situations I am in, but I am playing much better right now than I was the past couple of months.

    Either way, I feel like I am starting to get close. Time to bring it on home.

    thats from jimmy

    anyone who wants to know whats its like read this thread....

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../index543.html

    And as far as the VIP calculator goes, its so far off to what the actual rates are its not even really useable. Search my name a few weeks back I posted all the rates from every limit. Too lazy to search for it.
  9.  
    Originally Posted by pharreal87 View Post

    it is possible but u have to play high stakes sngs and a lot of them and still put in a ton of hours, averaging maybe 15 sngs and hour with a fee of about $15 per sng about 40hours a week will get you to supernova. so just put in 24hrs on the weekend and then the other 18 during the week. its a fuckin grind

    Eh... as far as i know you get 5 VPP per dollar rake. So this would mean 15x15x5x40 VPP a week which is 45k. If we assume 4.3 weeks a month average that would get you to SNE in a bit over 5 months.

    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to answer here, but the answer seems to be a bit off the question you quoted at least.
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by Mournval View Post


    Eh... as far as i know you get 5 VPP per dollar rake. So this would mean 15x15x5x40 VPP a week which is 45k. If we assume 4.3 weeks a month average that would get you to SNE in a bit over 5 months.

    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to answer here, but the answer seems to be a bit off the question you quoted at least.

    wow, i fucked up on my math somewhere in there. so you could do that for 20hrs a week, or half the tables for 40hrs and be there.
  11. OP, if i were you, i would go with high stakes play money HU SNGs and hope they fck up and start awarding FPP/VPPs again. and let you keep them this time.
  12. SNE = 200,000 paid in rake

    That's 4,000 buy ins of 50 nl, IN RAKE........

    2 tabling.

    I'd bet on the Lions winning the superbowl before I'd bet on you making SNE or even supernova 2 tabling. Sorry =/.

    Maybe aim for platinum star?

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  13.  
    Originally Posted by J_BOYZZ View Post

    there is like 8-10 so far this year

    there is 88 on pace

    and Scotty from stars said he expects there to be around 140-150

    anyone who wants to know whats its like read this thread....

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../index543.html

    And as far as the VIP calculator goes, its so far off to what the actual rates are its not even really useable. Search my name a few weeks back I posted all the rates from every limit. Too lazy to search for it.

    thanks for the info, I was trying to google it out of curiosity the other day.

    The VIP calculator is definitely way off. I started playing 60 dollar 1 tables turbos over the past week or so and their calculator says you will play 3 per hour (per table) but I don't see how these avg 20 minutes, seems to be 30 at least. A lot of times I am 25-30 minutes in and there is still 7 players let
  14. well sngs is easy to figure out, time has nothing to do with it

    1million vpps so $60 turbo gets u 25vpps

    so u need to play 40,000 avg 109 a day
  15.  
    Originally Posted by J_BOYZZ View Post

    well sngs is easy to figure out, time has nothing to do with it

    1million vpps so $60 turbo gets u 25vpps

    so u need to play 40,000 avg 109 a day

    What? I dont get a day off? I'm forming a poker union
  16.  
    Originally Posted by jamie16119 View Post


    basically
    was wondering if it is possible to achieve SNE
    in a year
    playing 8hours a day HU 50nl 2 tables.
    ?

    No

    to give you an idea, you have to get 2,840 VPPs a day, every day, with no day off. If you take w/end off, it's 3847 VPPs a day.

    my suggestion is to do it for a week and see if it's what you want to do, or if you want to play more tables and higher levels.
  17.  
    Originally Posted by J_BOYZZ View Post

    well sngs is easy to figure out, time has nothing to do with it

    1million vpps so $60 turbo gets u 25vpps

    so u need to play 40,000 avg 109 a day

    Yes, I know you need to play 40,000 to reach SNE and doing those calculations are simple

    but time does have a lot to do with it because I would want to know how many hours are needed to play. Based on pokerstars calculator if you 6 table it is about 42.7 hours a week which if I decided that is what I wanted I think I could do. However, in reality you can't play 18 games an hour 6 tabling and 12 seems to be more realistic and that is closer to 60 hours a week which does not interest me at all

    There are solutions to that such as playing more tables but I am definitely interested in how many hours it will take to play X amount of games which the calculator is not accurate with at all
  18.  
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post


    Does anybody know how many players have made SNE so far this year? or a rough estimate on how many SNE's there will be for a year on PS

    There are 17

     
    Originally Posted by J_BOYZZ View Post

    there is like 8-10 so far this year

    there is 88 on pace

    and Scotty from stars said he expects there to be around 140-150

    Yes you can make it with a job. I beleive DannyOhBoy has a job and Jimmyvjv...has a job and school....

    800k as of last night. Classes started up again last week so I am back in mega grind mode. In addition to passing 800k, last night I also realized something. This summer, when I just had work and poker, I would get home, do nothing for a couple hours, then play for a little bit and play pretty bad. This past week, throwing in school, I work all day, go to class at night, and then rip poker right when I get home until really late. Maybe it is because I am thinking critically 18 hours a day or because I am not overthinking the situations I am in, but I am playing much better right now than I was the past couple of months.

    Either way, I feel like I am starting to get close. Time to bring it on home.

    thats from jimmy

    anyone who wants to know whats its like read this thread....

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../index543.html

    And as far as the VIP calculator goes, its so far off to what the actual rates are its not even really useable. Search my name a few weeks back I posted all the rates from every limit. Too lazy to search for it.

    I'm jimmyvjv13 on 2+2. My SN is ZepHendrix. OP, I play 24 tables of 2/4 - 5/10 NL Full Ring. I know FR is a lot different from HU but I am playing 12x the tables you proposed at higher stakes and I still have to play 4 hours a day for SNE. Your proposal will not get you anywhere close to SNE, in fact, I don't think you could get SNE if you played 24 hours a day with your plan.

    Also, the VPP calculator from the site overestimates VPPs by a ridiculous amount. I don't know who built that thing but it is a joke, so don't use those numbers in your estimations.
     
  19.  
    Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16 View Post

    Yes, I know you need to play 40,000 to reach SNE and doing those calculations are simple

    but time does have a lot to do with it because I would want to know how many hours are needed to play. Based on pokerstars calculator if you 6 table it is about 42.7 hours a week which if I decided that is what I wanted I think I could do. However, in reality you can't play 18 games an hour 6 tabling and 12 seems to be more realistic and that is closer to 60 hours a week which does not interest me at all

    There are solutions to that such as playing more tables but I am definitely interested in how many hours it will take to play X amount of games which the calculator is not accurate with at all

    To put it in an hourly perspective if you are using Turbo SNG's they take about 40-45 minutes each lets say you play in sets and it takes you an hour total to load up your set and finish all you SNG's in a set. So if you need 109 SNG's a day and need to play about 14 tables at a time.

    Cash Games are calculated more by hands per hour, but it also depends on your stakes and style. I think 1/2 NL FR is somewhere between .25 to .35 VPP's per hand. So you need to play between 1360 hands to 975 hands per hour per 8 hour day. Given a FR table gets you about 70-80 hands per hour you need to play around 13-18 tables at a time. There places to find VPP's per hand but the best is playing for an hour, because your style will dicated your VPP's an hour and hands per hour.

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