Just wanted to let everyone know of a disgraceful act from our beloved Ultimate Bet staff...Today i was messing around on a points table and a friend of mine was also there..There was one nice guy on the table who only had 200 points remaining...Well a hand came down to me, my friend, and the 200 point guy..He bet and i told my friend lets let him have the pot, we felt bad and i really wanted him to be able to get some points...Well one person at the table said "hahaha i just reported you guys for collusion", in which everyone basically told him what an a$$ he was..and we both said it affected nobody else at the table and we were doing it to be nice to this guy...i actually even gave $5 to 3 people at the table just in having fun....eventually the guy took so much abuse from the rest of the players he said "you guys no i didnt report you"...and was being nice me and my friend actually both ended up giving him $5 as well...About an hour later i get an email from UB advising me that due to my very bad behavior with collusion they closed and suspended my account....I got suspended for just doing something nice to a fellow player for collusion , when god knows how much REAL collusion takes place for probably thousands of dollars and nothing is done about it! So in summation F UB and F the loser who decided it was good to report someone for basically giving a guy with lack points , some points for him to be able to continue playing while affecting NOBODY else at the table in the hand in question

I think this is BS, so many a$$holes playing and they suspend someone who's trying to be a nice guy. Raider, I say your a stand up guy, hopefully UB will resolve this. Hope to see ya at the tables.

Golf_Nut01

That's the dumbest thing i've read all day. F UB :-/

did they send you a check with your money in the ub acct or is it sitting there?

UB will eff you in the goat ass on stupid stuff like this. I have a good friend (who plays the biggest tournaments every night on UB as well as middle stakes NL) who had a similar meaningless table situation that ended up getting his account locked. They basically stole several hundred dollars from him because he was trying to be a nice guy. They have ultimate control of the money. They basically gave him a decision between giving them the money in question or losing all the money in his account. It was complete CRAP. You would think that UB would want to keep their good, consistent players happy since they need to retain regular players to compete with the other major sites (with way more Players). We calculated the fees that he had paid that year along with a conservative rake estimate to be about $54,000. Not to mention that he has since stepped up to bigger cash game with higher rake which will increase the amount of money he generates for UB. UB needs to do a little 5th grade math.

He was soooo pissed...as was I.

F UB...even though we still play there even more than we did before. (they simply have the best tournament structure)

wooooooooooooooooooooooow unreal raiderman. i'd be down with signing a petition.

-bert

Actually not that disgraceful.

I'd expect any reputable site to react similarly to any overt hint of collusion at their tables.

They know that the conspiracy theorists will pounce on anything that can be twisted to look like collusion. Plus, none of us really "know" 99% of the people we play against. There always seems to be a rules mechanic around at times like this.

The only place I've seen where this does not seem to be the case is TEC Freerolls. Those always tend to get messy around the bubble because each table starts rooting for their small stack to survive. I've seen whole tables stall. I've seen whole tables softplay. I've seen 3-4 people gang up on a big stack who's just playing his game and browbeat him into backing off so the little guy can survive. All of it done openly via the ingame chat buffer. With no known adverse consequences.

There are good reasons why some players simply do not chat...at all.

Dunce

In all due respect Dunce, your scenario is absolutely different from the scenario i presented..In yours of the tec that is affecting many players chances at the reward not only on that table but also other tables as well..In mine it affected nobody else, noone else was in the hand preflop and had no bearing on the remaining players at our table...forgive me if my thinking of collusion at a poker table would be GAINING an advatage for myself or a friend, not in allowing someone i never seen before have some ultimate points....and Yes JS it was Hector

Ahhh, but see, from their POV, it wasn't about a single hand. Your remarks could be construed as a plan for future action. Every subsequent hand would be suspect.

Now, I know, as does everyone here, that you intended no such thing. I watched your FT with BR, and saw you turn down the chop. Not the act of somebody looking to fade the rules.

Ultimately, you're dealing with some min wage, overseas clerk who only knows what the site's stated policy is.

It's a lot tougher to get fired for following policy than it is for ignoring it.

Dunce

This makes no sense why they would suspend you...regardless wether its for points or real money...they are you points and you could do with them as you please. You were colluding to help...really makes no sense at all.

Technically, you're right, it was just a points game, and what you did didn't effect anyone else at the table, but I think it makes sense for the site to hold the line on this and adopt a no tolerance policy. Collusion is a serious problem in online poker. It seems a little much to ask for a site to have to investigate whether what you did hurt anyone else at the table or not. You simply cannot play in a way designed to help another player out and you certainly cannot suggest to others that they do so. These sorts of situations naturally lead to unfair collusion that might hurt other players and it makes perfect sense for a site to simply not allow this kind of thing to happen in order to attempt to maintain the integrity of the game.

They suspended him because Hector is an idiot.

I agree with Puerto Rico Kid. Send an e-mail explaining the circumstances and ask to be reinstated.

when ever you get your account back can you dump me some ub points? lol

Raiderman, I sent an email defending you to UB and got a very favorable response saying "ty for letting us know about this issue and that they will review the information to take appropriate measures". Part of my letter includes the following:

"I believe that if you
knew the person involved and what an honorable man &
sincerely nice person he is, that you would NOT
continue his suspension.

Please reconsider this matter, Issue him a warning if
you must, but let this matter die a quick death before
you do yourself more harm than good."

Hope this helps as you personify the spirit of the game and were obviously not trying to cheat or collude.