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  1. Jrracc1 Jrracc1 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 7:12pm)

    Sorry if this topic has been discussed but im brutal at using the search apparently. I wanna hear from the people that have made the switch from tournaments to cash games and what the most difficult part of doing that was. With school I just cant put in the volume to be profitable at tournaments so I thought moving to cash games would be my best option while school was in. Im not a high stakes player by any means but I can't seem to grasp cash games. I constantly lose at them when I play and im looking to finally put an end to that. thanks in advance.
  2. jeppg1111 jeppg1111 is offline Disabled account

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 7:42pm) in reply to Jrracc1

    Cash esp. rush poker is the nuts, dont have to be tied down and u go beast mode. I was mostly mtt/sng but I did have some cash background, i used to play a lot of it back in the day and mop up. sick brag. lately been mostly all cash. basically u just have to get more comfortable with consistent deepstack play. ur never going to be on a bubble with 10x. every street of every hand is going to be a little deeper than in tourney play. each street u need to be labeling them with a range and go from there. play tight EP, start opening a little lighter from CO, button and SB when playing 9 max. dont get in a habit of bluffing, deepstacked, im building big pots fairly tight. if uve been losing try buying in smaller. play tight aggressive at lower stakes, bet ur made hands hard and dont even f with mediocre hands, u should be able to win. where most ppl lose tho is preflop, mostly it all boils down to preflop and ppl dont even realize that one bit
    Edited By: jeppg1111 Nov 7th, 2010 at 07:44 PM
     
  3. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 9:57pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    Patience is a must.
    Play TAG.
    Look for passive tables.
    Beware falling in love with big pairs, and running into sets, two pairs.
    Use HEM.
    GL.
  4. burnses_suite burnses_suite is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2010 (11/7/2010 10:13pm) in reply to rayfox111

     
    Originally Posted by rayfox111 View Post

    Patience is a must.

    Beware falling in love with big pairs, and running into sets, two pairs.

    GL.

    This.....

    One of the biggest things that screwed me early on was reading that play poker like the pro book hellmuth put out. It bascilly preaches a top ten hand strategy to cash games. and let me tell u sir top ten hands in cash just dont matter. So with that, Like he said, dont fall in love ith AA, KK or QQ. dont 3 bet shoiver AK i call off weak asses all day long who are obviously 3bet shoving AK with anywhere from 77 to 10 10. just beware AK is not the nuts and this isnt a tourney.

    I think the biggest difference is u have to play poker not just all in shove and hope to get lucky...

    thats not to say if someone 3 bets u and u have AA dont 4 bet Fking shove but just remember ona wet flop AA isnt always the nuts either.
  5. Jrracc1 Jrracc1 is offline

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    Nov 8th, 2010 (11/8/2010 1:50am) in reply to burnses_suite

    would you start with 9 man tables or 6 man?
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  6. kawon4975 kawon4975 is offline

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    Nov 8th, 2010 (11/8/2010 2:03am) in reply to Jrracc1

     
    Originally Posted by Jrracc1 View Post

    would you start with 9 man tables or 6 man?


    six max tends to be more difficult. more regs play six max and you need to be comfortable with playing all streets with not the nuts. start low and you'll be fine if you play solid
  7. hitthenuts hitthenuts is offline

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    Nov 8th, 2010 (11/8/2010 2:09am) in reply to Jrracc1

    I have experience in both cash and tourny play (most of my tourny play was 03-06, then I switched to almost exclusively 1/2NL 6max cash).
    The BIGGEST obvious difference between the two forms of the game is stack sizes. There is definitely the ebbs and flows of game pace in both forms and you adjust accordingly to the table and player dynamics in both. but the fact that almost every hand is played with effective stack sizes of 100-200bb deep, hand ranges and how hands effectively play out CHANGES DRASTICALLY. All advice given above is pretty solid imo... You will need to learn to disguise and play a wider hand range than usual if you decide to play 6max (0.5/1NL and above) and game selection is crucial, patience... you learn to become a predator of fish, you dont make stacks of money butting heads with solid regs all day (they are not great, but definitely fundamentally sound at a basic level.) if you play lower than 0.5/1NL, TAG is usually effective... value bet thin and strong, while keeping higher level thinking bluffs to an absolute minimum (your opponents are NOT thinking)

    My advice is this...

    1. dont dive in head first too fast (enter at a comfortable stake level and only a few tables)
    2. try to pick up and copy some of the gameflow tendencies and finer details of the 'good solid regs'
    3. focus more on post flop play (sounds cliche, but get good at 'story telling' and decyphering at whatever level your OPPONENT is thinking at)
    4. MINDFRAME, BANKROLL MANAGEMENT AND TILT CONTROL are PARAMOUNT!!!!!!! - in cash, IT's CASH! never forget... everything adds together towards your bottom line.
    5. I remember hearing from (i think) a cardrunners video, your profit doesnt come from the huge pots (alot of big pots kind of play themselves), your profit is mostly comprised of smaller pots where you can exploit weakness and leaks effectively when your opponents are not effectively doing the same. I would keep this in mind

    Good luck.
    Edited By: hitthenuts Nov 8th, 2010 at 02:18 AM
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