Switching to 18 mans

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  1. Bobmurphy Bobmurphy is offline

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    Jun 8th, 2008 (6/8/2008 10:17pm)

    Just curious was to what changes need to be made in strategy when switching from 9-mans to 18-mans. Particularly when it gets to be 6 handed at both tables and then down to 5 handed also, that tends to be when I'm leaking a lot of chips. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and I'm the push/fold type, play tight until blinds are high so if you can keep it in context of that strategy that would be amazing.
  2. Jennifear Jennifear is online now Moderator

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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 1:20am) in reply to Bobmurphy

    Two big differences near the end:

    Three handed in a 9 man SNG, you can shove wider from 2nd place... the prize pool is 50/30/20, so essentially you stand to gain 20 if you move up a spot to 1st and only risk 10 to get there

    Three handed in a 18 man, with a pool of 40/30/20/10, the jump from 2nd to 1st is equal with the 2nd to 3rd jump, 10 each way, so you need to push more cautious, and the chipleader has a greater advantage... in the 18 man, the "bubble" portion of the SNG doesn't end until it's heads up.

    Four handed in a 9 man, with the shortstack, you usually need to get in there and fight unless the other players are calling stations, but in a 18 man, 5 handed, there are more opportunities for the others to clash and you eat the BB less often, so trying to back into 4th is a viable option a greater % of the time.

    Hope that helps!
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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 2:20am) in reply to Jennifear

    Wow thank you so much. I actually feel kinda honored that I just got advice from Jennifear haha. Thanks that all made a lot of sense and will definitely help my game out.
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  4. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 3:37am) in reply to Bobmurphy

    She forgot to mention a very important factor: If you play against her, never call a preflop shove. She has a deal with the devil :

    Full Tilt Poker Game #6751160317: PostlessSoprano (50744187), Table 3 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:11:01 ET - 2008/06/08
    Seat 1: andressoprano (3,130)
    Seat 3: vladedoty (2,620)
    Seat 5: hepdog1 (2,560)
    Seat 7: PunkinBear (5,072)
    Seat 8: z_en4 (1,410)
    Seat 9: AbnormalQ (5,933)
    PunkinBear posts the small blind of 60
    z_en4 posts the big blind of 120
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to andressoprano [Qd Ad]
    PunkinBear: see jen run
    AbnormalQ folds
    z_en4 has been disconnected
    andressoprano raises to 360
    vladedoty folds
    hepdog1 folds
    z_en4 has reconnected
    PunkinBear raises to 5,072, and is all in
    z_en4 has 15 seconds left to act
    z_en4 folds
    andressoprano calls 2,770, and is all in
    PunkinBear: zomg
    PunkinBear shows [2d 7d]
    andressoprano: im not folding
    andressoprano shows [Qd Ad]
    Uncalled bet of 1,942 returned to PunkinBear
    *** FLOP *** [7c 4s 8d]
    *** TURN *** [7c 4s 8d] [3d]
    andressoprano: omg
    andressoprano: omg
    *** RIVER *** [7c 4s 8d 3d] [Kh]
    PunkinBear shows a pair of Sevens
    andressoprano shows Ace King high
    PunkinBear wins the pot (6,380) with a pair of Sevens
    andressoprano: omg
    PunkinBear: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    andressoprano: omfg
    andressoprano stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 6,380 | Rake 0
    Board: [7c 4s 8d 3d Kh]
    Seat 1: andressoprano showed [Qd Ad] and lost with Ace King high
    Seat 3: vladedoty didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: hepdog1 (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: PunkinBear (small blind) showed [2d 7d] and won (6,380) with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 8: z_en4 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: AbnormalQ didn't bet (folded)
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  5. Jennifear Jennifear is online now Moderator

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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 3:58am) in reply to andressoprano

    I just ran the numbers:

    Hold'em Simulation
    <SPAN class=pptSimTrials>1,712,304 trials (Exhaustive)</SPAN>
    <TABLE class=pptSimTable cellSpacing=0 border=1><TBODY><TR class=pptSimLabels><TH>Hand</TH><TH>Pot equity</TH><TH>Wins</TH><TH>Ties</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD class=pptSpec>Jennifear with 7d2d</TD><TD class=pptEV>99.99%</TD><TD class=pptWinsHi>523,084</TD><TD class=pptTiesHi>0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD class=pptSpec>Andresoprano with AdQd</TD><TD class=pptEV>00.01%</TD><TD class=pptWinsHi>1</TD><TD class=pptTiesHi>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 4:55am) in reply to Jennifear

    el oh el
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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 4:58am) in reply to Jennifear

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    post of the year or at least ICM POY LOL
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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 5:01am) in reply to Jennifear

    ^^^Reply Post of the year
    Though it should say Andressoprano with ATC
  9. Jennifear Jennifear is online now Moderator

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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 5:26am) in reply to Jennifear

    Backstory:
    $10 MTT with a $40 bounty on Andres head... so it was plus ee vee
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    Jun 9th, 2008 (6/9/2008 5:53am) in reply to Jennifear

    Ahhhh, I see. Nice score!
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