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  1. Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for awhile and just decided to post. I am currently in a disagreement with some friends of mine and would like your opinions. The topic is switching tables (within the same limit) when you are ahead and whether or not it is sportsmanlike.

    Here is the example that prompted the disagreement: Player A buys into table for $100. He immediately portrays the image of a big bluffer by frequently overbetting the pots. He gets caught by Player B and winds up putting in all his chips with only an 11% chance of winning. He ends up catching the river and doubles up to $200. Player A then immediately leaves the table and buys in on another table for $100.

    Is switching tables like PlayerA did:
    A) Completely outrageous - This type of action should be banned.
    B) Unsportsmanlike - Player B and others at the table should have a chance to win back their money.
    C) No big deal - It's now his money and he can take it to whatever table he wants.

    [EDIT] So far it's 8-0 in favor of "C". My question to those voting for "C", would this also mean "Going South" with your chips is not a big deal either?
  2. personally i think 3 is the case im sure others will disagree
  3. its his money - why shud player B care if he wns it bafrom player A or someone else. changing tables is one of the best advntages of the net
  4. C. welcome to online
     
  5. it's C all the way. too bad for player b.
  6. option C
  7. Morally, he is in the clear.... although some don't like hit and run, sometimes it's a viable strategy, and completely ethical.

    EDIT- and yes this means that "going south" with your chips is ethical as well.
  8. Interesting. You are not allowed to do this live... online (stars for sure) you can't either, you must sit w/ the "new stack".
  9. i think the whole hit and run concept is totally invalid who made the rule that it is ur right to win back lost money and it is the responsability of the winning player to give u that chance i could understand in a heads up match if two players have an agreement but certainly not at a full table with random players
  10. C- hit and run can happen live too, on the internet if you do something like that you have to completely switch gears(if multitabling hard to do) or leave...i leave
  11. Early- You can run (live) but not switch tables w/ less $$.
  12. C. Not even a question. People willingly put their money on the table knowing they could lose it, they are gambling with it. The point of poker is to make money. Sure, the guy might come off as a prick, but he act however he wants within the rules, that's his right. Online, this isn't even an issue.

    Now, if you're playing with buddies in a home game, different story. Then you're just an asshole.

    Completely ethical thing to do though. If you don't agree with a situation like this, you probably shouldn't be risking your money playing poker, simple as that.
  13. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I'm playing if someone does that to me I am very pissed. I have a personal rule with myself that If I win a huge hand I stay AT LEAST a few trips around the table (6 max usually). I just think its very unsportsmanlike to make a big hit then runoff on someone.

    For reference the stakes are usually 2-4 or 3-6 nl (sometimes 5-10), so maybe at the lower limits like .25-.50 or .50-1 people feel different. If you watch a 50-100 game you rarely see someone do that, and I'm sure if you asked any of the guys that play high stakes they would tell you how they feel about it (I'm sure its not good)

    On the other hand I don't think it should be banned. The freedom to move from table to table as we please should be our own choice. I just wish more people had a little more sportsmanship than to hit and run people all day long.

    So i guess my choice is B?

    -Brian
  14. Interesting. You are not allowed to do this live... online (stars for sure) you can't either, you must sit w/ the "new stack".

    Where do you play live that this is not allowed? Its a hit and run, used frequently by live and online players.

    Answer is absolutely C!
  15. To my knowledge, no reputable casino will allow you to return to a table w/ less $$ than you left it with. They will at least make you wait a certain amount of time. Any live players... plz. weigh in on this.
  16. The answer is c. Also keep in mind that player b should feel cheerful about the fact that player c is probably going to lose all that money, and also the rest of his bankroll if he consistently gets his money in with massively underdogged hands, so even the issue of whether it is too emotionally damaging/ coldblooded to hitnrun off player b isn't valid if player b understands this.

    Anyway yea:

    Tournament: u can't take ur chips off the table, u are forced to keep them in the tourney till they are all gone.

    Cash game: you can sit down or stand up any time you are not involved in a hand.

    Thats pretty much it.
  17. We're talking about going to a new table, not the same one. Most online sites force you to bring just as much money back if you return to the same table within 15 minutes or something like that. Moving to a new table with a shorter stack is allowed live, as long as there is another table to play at. I doubt many winning players do this though, unless it's a no-max table....I'd think most good NL players would want as many chips as possible on the table in a game with a max buy in.

    IMO, people who complain about stuff like a "hit an run" are huge crybabies. You're not entitled to a chance to win your money back from someone once you've lost it to them. The only downside of doing this is that if you play a high stakes game where there isn't as much turnover and everyone plays somewhat on reputation, people may not want to play with you if you are known as someone who frequently does this.
     
  18. Well, I guess I was really in the minority then. As in, I'm the only one who thinks that I should stay a few times around the table after I win a big hand. Maybe I should stop trying to be nice? I donno, just thought I was doing the right thing.
  19. I agree with Brian. If you suckout on me, then I want you to stick around. I (almost) never leave right after I scoop a big pot.
  20. Its a psychological thing Brian, dont let it bother you, there will be someone else to fill the seat and who you win or lose money to at any point in time is irrelavant. Its like wanting to get back at the player that bluffed you, there are much better and more important things to be thinking about when your playing poker, its not personal, its business. So my answer is C

    However I believe the practice is a mistake as there is nothing better than being the big stack at a cash table and then running over the table and turning it into a huge stack. You cant ride the rush if you get off the wave. Besides its fun to have $500 in front of you when the max buyin is $100
  21. D) you should be kicked for asking if it's unacceptable and anyone who thinks it is should be beaten with a wooden stick.

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  22. Well here's the deal...

    1) If he stays and tightens up he ll get ALOT of action on big hands

    2) it IS his money now and he can leave

    3) if he does leave its VERY unsportsmanlike....

    Just ask Phil Helmuth ... he pulled this same type of BS on Mike Mouth on UB....and he knows mike personally talk about a POS move

    WarCrimes Out!
  23. If you're online and you want your money back, just follow that player around
  24. Thanks for the replies thusfar.

    Most people think it is perfectly acceptable to go to another table. If so, is it also acceptable to "Go South" and pocket your chips if you are ahead?
    Thread Starter
  25. agreed brian, I guess its just another one of those little bitch things you have to put up with if youre gonna play online. I like to play with the same people for at least an hour so that we can pick up reads on each other so we can play "poker" and match wits. I just like to think that I can I can still make a profit playing poker without hitting and running. I mean how would you like it if you were playing blackjack vs. the house dealer and after every time you bust the dealer takes all but ten bucks off his stack and sends it to the house safe?Of course there will always be an endless supply of players to win your money back but its the gamesmanship and competition part of it that just seems pretty gay and nit like. Imo

    The other day i was playing some low limit ring on party and I noticed the guy in the seat next to me would constantly leave the table and reseat immediately with less chips after he won any decent sized pots. Nobody else seemed to notice and/or give a fuck so I asked him if he always takes chips off the table. He said "all the time, it minimizes my losses" . Fucking hilarious. I just laughed it off and didnt make a big deal of it but you can bet your ass if we were playing for higher stakes I definitley would have had a problem with his punk ass.
  26. Yea, it's a cheap move, but if you play on the same site often, you will notice that this guy frequents your tables often. Note his play, be patient and sometimes you'll catch him. There is nothing particularly unethical about this, just be happy knowing that he has to work 3x as hard as a real player to earn his money, because he is going to lose a lot of the b.s. that he pushes too. So...C
  27. Definitely unsportsman like but 100% acceptable so I vote B & C since they don't conflict

    Anyways if I was loser I would pick up and go right after him. If I were the winner and I donked off by accident I would stay and play off the donk i mage. But there is a HUGE difference between going south and swicthing tables. Doyle talks about this in SS.

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