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Taking advantage of the FEAR of not cashing in a low-limit SNG. (long but good--must read for low limit players)

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  1. Quantum Quantum is offline

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    Dec 15th, 2006 (12/15/2006 11:15pm) in reply to Jennifear

    I rarely, if ever, find people who will just lay down like wimps on an $11 sng bubble like this. I'm not sure if all of this is good advice because a lot of the time the low stakes opponent will either not realize he is making a bad bubble play, not even know what the bubble is, or have little to no regard for his $10 buy in. Many seem to have large egos as well so they will call you with A2, QJ, KT,33 etc if they think they are ahead, bubble or not.

    Good post, you definitely exploited the hell out of those weak opps, but I justt hought it should be noted that low stakes sngs will not play out like this very often.
  2. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Dec 15th, 2006 (12/15/2006 11:29pm) in reply to Quantum

    Great reply Quantum

    That's a very good point that allows me to clarify something.

    In this SNG there were several situations where raising was appropriate because of, specifically, the stack sizes. Low limit SNGs usually progress like this....

    Loose players throw cash around, and the skilled players and tight rocks pick it up. The game is loose.

    The as it gets closer to the cash, the weak-tight players outnumber the loose ones. The game is tight, and they are afraid.

    In most SNGs, this allows for just a few circumstances where this stack poker can be used, ands this SNG was used by me to demonstate these spots only because a lot of opportunities exist.

    Definitely not advising you play like a moronic maniac. If you are going to employ this strategy, you had better have been paying attention to your opponents and pick on the right sized stacks.

    Otherwise you might find yourself making a crazy play in say, hands #30, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 42, 45, or 58. Most hands in late SNG play are more like these... a point Quantum brought up very correctly!
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  3. ballerdeuce ballerdeuce is offline

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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 1:37am) in reply to Jennifear

    Very solid! Your dialogue made it very insightful.

    Thanks!
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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 3:30am) in reply to ballerdeuce

    due to VERY poor br management, I was down about 1.5k before I discoered P5s and learned about br management.

    Then I met jennifear. I'm up almost 1k since I met her and if you doubt that players at $10 level would adhere to her instructions or "fall" for this type of solid play , check out my recent graphs for $10sng on sharkscope.

    Never. Question. Jennifear. That is all :)
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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 6:18am) in reply to Jennifear

    I did read through your entire post Jennifear and I completely understand the basis of your post. I respect your game and can see by your numbers that you are a successful player. However, for you to think that you ran through this specific sit and go because you were taking advantage of the fear in the other players of not cashing is absurd. Typically at that level players are more recreational so they are calling off their chips with weaker holdings. I just think your giving low- limit beginners false hope to self promote. Post 10 sit and gos within a reasonable timespan that turned out like the one above and you'll make me a believer.

    P.S. I would like to sign up or be put on the list for one of your training sessions. Hope your not afraid of black guys.
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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 9:18am) in reply to jdro

    TY jdro

    Very nice recent results by the way.

    I know things had been shaky, but you toughed it out.

    It's amazing how much your discipline and play have both improved tremendously.

    GFJ!

    Jen
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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 9:22am) in reply to Jennifear

    yawn

    <---gidders
  8. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 9:42am) in reply to GussyPetter

    I feel bad that I fought back so hard Gussy, I guess what you said just struck a nerve, lol. I'll chalk it up to hormones for an excuse if you'll allow me to. I'm sorry.

    Let me address all your points, because they are good ones....

    - I would be hard-pressed to come up with 10 SNGs where there were so many situations where raising with nothing was an option. Even when I played 5-10 SNGs/day, I would be lucky to get one a week of this variety. In most SNGs there are just a few situations where making the raising with nothing play works.

    - Attacking the midstacks with four left actually works better at the lowest levels where they make ridiculous plays. Not only do they make ridiculous calls, but they make ridiculous folds too! These guys play to cash, and don't play to win when there are four left. They really want to slide up the pay scale. Even some of the chipleaders at the $5-10 levels sit back and wait the bubble out, figuring they can coast to the money. You just don't see that at the $50 level and up very often.

    - My post wasn't for the purpose of self-promotion, though I could see how it could be mistaken for that. I started charging for lessons in September, and a quick look through my post history would show you that I made several strategy posts well before that.

    - I would love to sign you up for a session, but I have a concern. Your stats show a 20% ROI over a reasonable sample at an avg stake of $84.00. I haven't acheived that sort of success yet, I specialize in teaching low-limits, and I have just broken through to the medium stakes, and won't challenge the higher stakes until I have a great sample size at the medium stakes. Though maybe someday I will be able to advance to teaching that level, I fear you may not get your money's worth if I were to take your money for a lesson. It is my first priority to make sure that all of my students get their money's worth. That said, if you feel you could still benefit, shoot me a quick email or PM, and I'll respond tonight :)

    - I'm not afraid of black guys. Hope your not afraid of feisty blondes :)
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