PokerStars Game #16433394399: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/04/02 - 12:27:10 (ET)
Table 'Chryseis IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: johnny79 ($424.15 in chips)
Seat 2: klacc ($282.35 in chips)
Seat 3: champstark ($234 in chips)
Seat 4: kdogpenny1 ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: fullbaby ($254.45 in chips)
Seat 6: vispila ($200 in chips)
champstark: posts small blind $1
kdogpenny1: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kdogpenny1 [Tc Td]
klacc: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [3c Jd 5s]
*** TURN *** [3c Jd 5s] [Ts]
kdogpenny1: bets $4
klacc: raises $4 to $8
kdogpenny1: raises $20 to $28
klacc: raises $20 to $48
kdogpenny1: raises $147 to $195 and is all-in
klacc: calls $147
*** RIVER *** [3c Jd 5s Ts] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kdogpenny1: shows [Tc Td] (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
klacc: mucks hand
kdogpenny1 collected $392 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $395 | Rake $3
Board [3c Jd 5s Ts Jc]
Seat 1: johnny79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: klacc (button) mucked [Kh Ks]
Seat 3: champstark (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: kdogpenny1 (big blind) showed [Tc Td] and won ($392) with a full house, Tens full of Jacks
Seat 5: fullbaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: vispila folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I mean this with highest respect but personally I believe both parties in this hand played it aweful...both had made hands pre flop...Obv that Villian was trying to set you up but his first mistake was not betting the flop...you probably would have called on the flop anyways but he needs to find out where you are at...secondly...you not raising your tens preflop was an extremely weak play...you should have no intent on seeing a flop with 10's because of so many possible overs or suited connector cards imo...with all this in mind unless he was a very strong player you probably get his money on the turn anyways when you suck out....unlucky for him...
TT is a great hand to just call from the BB at these stakes to a button limp. If i raise, he calls with 100% of the range of hands he limped with preflop so I learn nothing about the value of his hand and build a pot that im not gonna defend very strongly.
danutzb, couldn't disagree more with your reply. you don't want to jam the pot pre with a mid-pair like TT out of pos. the button limper is calling and seeing a flop everytime. and yeah a lot of the time he has overs and suited connectors, but hes not folding to your PF raise with those anyways. your goal here shouldn't be to bet the villain out of his hand pre. that would take like a 10x BB raise in most situations. and in this case, it would=getting all the money in preflop as a 4-1 dog. very cautiously played but i think well played because this way if you dont hit your miracle T then u probably lose the minimum, and if u do hit your card, you still get all his money.
This was the best play for me in this situation, the preflop play isnt even my subject. Look at him go broke with KK there when he should be worried about every single card combination, its common at these stakes and continues to be a great way to make big pots when i have the goods and small pots when i dont.
i don't think there's a rule that says you HAVE to raise TT from the bb when the button limps.
i think hero played this hand pretty well, obv people like to play preflop differently, and there are a lot of factors to consider here. If the button limper is limp-calling every raise then you might not want to raise TT because an overcard will flop more than half the time. Just something ot think about.
I do think that KK overplayed his hand and should probably fold to hero's turn shove.
I think that you people arguing for a preflop raise from the BB are missing the point. This is a cash game, not a tourney. In a tourney yea your def raising in this spot but this is a cash game with huge stacks why get yourself into a big pot from oop with a very beatable hand? I think he played it pretty well imo.
And the guy with KK sucks.