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is this a terrible call?

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  1. awall630 awall630 is offline

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    Oct 23rd, 2009 (10/23/2009 2:47pm)

    Stage #1955958315 Tourney ID 4779683 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 30 - 2009-10-23 11:30:40 (ET)
    Table: 11 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - FRANKDUCK (4,900 in chips)
    Seat 2 - BLACKSAND (9,078 in chips)
    Seat 3 - TOMG329 (5,673 in chips)
    Seat 4 - AWALL630 (11,145 in chips)
    Seat 5 - CJD45021 (4,800 in chips)
    Seat 6 - PCEXPRESS (4,865 in chips)
    Seat 7 - ROMPESTOMPEN (7,091 in chips)
    Seat 8 - GREGRON9 (7,375 in chips)
    Seat 9 - TUF2TUCK1 (4,715 in chips)
    TOMG329 - Posts small blind 15
    AWALL630 - Posts big blind 30
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to AWALL630 [8c Ks]
    CJD45021 - Folds
    PCEXPRESS - Folds
    ROMPESTOMPEN - Folds
    GREGRON9 - Calls 30
    TUF2TUCK1 - Calls 30
    FRANKDUCK - Folds
    BLACKSAND - Folds
    TOMG329 - Folds
    AWALL630 - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [8h 5s 4h]
    AWALL630 - Bets 79
    GREGRON9 - Calls 79
    TUF2TUCK1 - Calls 79
    *** TURN *** [8h 5s 4h] [Kc]
    AWALL630 - Bets 155
    GREGRON9 - Calls 155
    TUF2TUCK1 - Folds
    *** RIVER *** [8h 5s 4h Kc] [As]
    AWALL630 - Bets 499
    GREGRON9 - Raises 2,149 to 2,149
    AWALL630 - Calls 1,650
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    GREGRON9 - Shows [7h 6c] (Straight, four to eight)
    AWALL630 - Mucks
    GREGRON9 Collects 4,950 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(4,950)
    Board [8h 5s 4h Kc As]
    Seat 1: FRANKDUCK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: BLACKSAND (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: TOMG329 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 4: AWALL630 (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [8c Ks]
    Seat 5: CJD45021 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: PCEXPRESS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 7: ROMPESTOMPEN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: GREGRON9 won Total (4,950) HI:(4,950) with Straight, four to eight [7h 6c - B:8h,P:7h,P:6c,B:5s,B:4h]
    Seat 9: TUF2TUCK1 Folded on the TURN

    it looked to me like he was trying to buy with a busted fd or maybe freaked out when he hit riv A.. i know theres a lot of hands that beat me here but i didnt think he would limp 76 and flat til the riv figured if he flopped straight he was prob raising the turn for some value since i was only betting about 1/2 pot.. idk any help is appreciated let me know if this is an easy fold.
  2. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    Oct 23rd, 2009 (10/23/2009 4:43pm) in reply to awall630

    1st off, why couldn't he limp with 76? he flops the nuts so there's no reason for him as you are betting maybe TP, two pair to be scared of a FD. So he'll just call and raise you on the river.

    Other hands that beat you here are 23, a set (88, 55, 44, KK, AA), A8, Ah5h, AhKh..

    Villain could have limped all of these hands.

    Nonetheless it's a pretty tough decision as you're getting 3-1 on your money and investing almost the same amount you've already put in the pot.

    You can also beat some hands here like a suited K or ace who thinks his top or 2nd pair is good. He could be bluffing the ace as he could've missed his FD, but i'll think he'd fold more to save his chips as he hasn't invested too much on the turn.

    Having a big stack with those blinds doesn't make it easier as you can make the call and still have a nice stack to play with.

    It is a board you can bluff at, especially the river, or he could have hit his ace missing a FD;

    I'm not sure if would've folded the hand myself, but with you're stack i prob would have. Maybe you were meant to lose chips there.

    This prob won't help you much but it was a tough one i think. Call and say "nh" :p
  3. texan1382 texan1382 is offline

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    Oct 24th, 2009 (10/24/2009 7:56pm) in reply to awall630

    Pre I would have raised, at least min, prolly 3BB. K8 is actually my fav hand (never fails to hit), but that's not why. I would have tried to shove out some of the weaker limpers. On the turn I woulda bet 3/4th or so, and on the river I would have shoved. Yeah, I would have lost, but that's the way I would have played it. I'm no poker pro though.
  4. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2009 (10/25/2009 1:19pm) in reply to KingBustYou

     
    Originally Posted by KingBustYou View Post

    1st off, why couldn't he limp with 76? he flops the nuts so there's no reason for him as you are betting maybe TP, two pair to be scared of a FD. So he'll just call and raise you on the river.

    Other hands that beat you here are 23, a set (88, 55, 44, KK, AA), A8, Ah5h, AhKh..

    Villain could have limped all of these hands.

    Umm if he were to limp AA,KK,44,55,88..He def raises flop with the coordinated board. You can rule those hands out of his range. The average player isnt going to limp 76 in mid position so I can see how you ruled it out of his range. To me his hand looks like A8,A5. I think I prob b/c riv. Against a nit I c/c.
  5. awall630 awall630 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2009 (10/25/2009 4:46pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    i had a similar thought process in this hand, thank you and both of these posts were helpful
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