i dont see the problem with dishing out a slowroll in a sng,maybe you disagree but i think its good to put ur opponent on tilt

dont flame me,just my views!

the only reason to slowroll would be a revenge slowroll

whenever someone slowrolls me i put a note to slowroll them every chance i get. slowrolling is pretty much the spitting in your face of online poker. dont do it. if you do you truly are an asshole, and not the good kinda asshole that the girls are attracted to, i mean the asshole that a skunk wouldnt even spew its rancidness out of

I dislike slowrolling, and I think it's classless, but I'll answer your question considering EV only, because I know that you don't want to hear a moral tirade. You are in it for the money, and I understand your point of view.

So here's the answer, strictly from a mathematical standpoint:

When two players in a SNG clash, especially later on, the other players in the SNG benefit from that clash. Each player involved in that clash is risking chips that are more valuable than the chips they stand to gain. The difference between the equity they risk, and the equity they gain is distributed to the other players.

For instance, $100 9-man SNG, stacks are 3k 3k 3k 3k. Two players clash.

Preflop, the equities are $225 for each player.

<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Player</TH><TH>Chips</TH><TH>Prob 1st</TH><TH>Prob 2nd</TH><TH>Prob 3rd</TH><TH>Equity</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 1
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>$225.00</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>Player 2
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>$225.00</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 3
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>$225.00</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>Player 4
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>$225.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

When two players clash, the equities are:

<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Player</TH><TH>Chips</TH><TH>Prob 1st</TH><TH>Prob 2nd</TH><TH>Prob 3rd</TH><TH>Equity</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 1
</TD><TD>6000</TD><TD>0.5000</TD><TD>0.3333</TD><TD>0.1667</TD><TD>$345.00</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>Player 2
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.3333</TD><TD>0.4167</TD><TD>$277.50</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 3
</TD><TD>3000</TD><TD>0.2500</TD><TD>0.3333</TD><TD>0.4167</TD><TD>$277.50</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

So the winner of the hand only gains $120. That's $105 less than a true double-up. So the players who clashed risked $225 to win $120.

The missing $105 doesn't just disappear, it actually gets distributed between the other two players that folded. They each benefit $52.50.

So you would prefer to avoid clashes. Even those where you are a 60-40 favorite might gain you chips, but lose you money.

So while slowrolling might put someone on tilt against you (or make the whole table think you are a jackass and cause them to play worse against you), the result of this is that they are more likely to spite-call you, and even if you are ahead 60-40 or when they do, you don't benefit.

Therefore, it's -EV to make enemies in a SNG, so this move is not profitable in a SNG, where it might arguably be profitable in a cash game.

i never slowroll anyone under any circumstance...all slowrollers can get aids

 

Originally Posted by greggaymer1

i dont see the problem with dishing out a slowroll in a sng,maybe you disagree but i think its good to put ur opponent on tilt

dont flame me,just my views!

priceless

any1 here slowroll and when confronted say u were pre occupied or make an exscuse

eg i was on phone etc

by the way i aint a slowroller,just wana get the community s views on it

agree to disagree jennifear. but im right

 

Originally Posted by bantersaurus

agree to disagree jennifear. but im right

priceless

 

Originally Posted by bantersaurus

not sure i didnt read it, i saw slowrolling and mathematics in the same sentence and came to my conclusion

Meh, you are right. Posting math in a post about slowrolling makes me a nerd.

Slowrolling is useless if you are a reg...you and the other reg have so many tables up that it doesn't matter because neither of you are going to see the effects of said slowroll.

Spite calling is much better. Spite call a reg in a spot he shouldn't be pushing or in a spot you'd just like to bust him because you have an asston of chips. This is much more effective because he will remember your spite call and try to spite call you back...but you have the goods so FUCK HIM. I started a spite call war today with one of the worst regs at my level...and I'm going to beat his ass

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

I keep notes on every single player who's ever slowrolled me, those are the only ones I'd ever do it.

what if lilholdem slowrolled you? does that mean you couldnt hang out with him anymore?

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

I keep notes on every single player who's ever slowrolled me, those are the only ones I'd ever do it.

i keep notes on evry player thats ever bad beated me and i go out of my way to do the same to them

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

 

Originally Posted by greggaymer1

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

I dislike slowrolling, and I think it's classless, but I'll answer your question considering EV only, because I know that you don't want to hear a moral tirade. You are in it for the money, and I understand your point of view.

So here's the answer, strictly from a mathematical standpoint:

When two players in a SNG clash, especially later on, the other players in the SNG benefit from that clash. Each player involved in that clash is risking chips that are more valuable than the chips they stand to gain. The difference between the equity they risk, and the equity they gain is distributed to the other players.

For instance, $100 9-man SNG, stacks are 3k 3k 3k 3k. Two players clash.

Preflop, the equities are $225 for each player.

<table border="1"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th><th>Chips</th><th>Prob 1st</th><th>Prob 2nd</th><th>Prob 3rd</th><th>Equity</th></tr><tr><td>Player 1
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>$225.00</td></tr><tr><td>Player 2
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>$225.00</td></tr><tr><td>Player 3
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>$225.00</td></tr><tr><td>Player 4
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.2500</td><td>$225.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

When two players clash, the equities are:

<table border="1"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th><th>Chips</th><th>Prob 1st</th><th>Prob 2nd</th><th>Prob 3rd</th><th>Equity</th></tr><tr><td>Player 1
</td><td>6000</td><td>0.5000</td><td>0.3333</td><td>0.1667</td><td>$345.00</td></tr><tr><td>Player 2
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.3333</td><td>0.4167</td><td>$277.50</td></tr><tr><td>Player 3
</td><td>3000</td><td>0.2500</td><td>0.3333</td><td>0.4167</td><td>$277.50</td></tr></tbody></table>

So the winner of the hand only gains $120. That's $105 less than a true double-up. So the players who clashed risked $225 to win $120.

The missing $105 doesn't just disappear, it actually gets distributed between the other two players that folded. They each benefit $52.50.

So you would prefer to avoid clashes. Even those where you are a 60-40 favorite might gain you chips, but lose you money.

So while slowrolling might put someone on tilt against you (or make the whole table think you are a jackass and cause them to play worse against you), the result of this is that they are more likely to spite-call you, and even if you are ahead 60-40 or when they do, you don't benefit.

Therefore, it's -EV to make enemies in a SNG, so this move is not profitable in a SNG, where it might arguably be profitable in a cash game.

so does this mean u condone slowrollin in cash but not in sng??
im confused :^

Mathematically, yes.

jenifear u naughty girl,u beter not slowroll me ;)

new theory - is it ok to slowroll someone who has given you a bad beat??

and i mean a horrible one

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

 

Originally Posted by bantersaurus

jennifear i dont think mathematics has any say in slowrolling

I disagree. A slowroller is more likely to be hated, and more likely to be spite-called. Late in a SNG, being able to push without the fear of being called is important.

Jennifear explain it real good and simple....How can it ever be good to make enemys in SNG?You think your edge is so huge if people call you pushes with 27os vs your ak or whatever no pair just to try to bust you?They might call you just because you make them pissed.SO yes slowrolling or talking shit in a SNG=-EV.....very well explained Jennifear like always.(and yes stacksizes etc. all have impact on it what makes it mathemathical hard to explain but iff you only use logic even then its 100% sure -EV.)
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