pot the flop shove the turn

Guess someone gotcha huh? Raising big is the right play, if you correctly put them on a draw. Maybe its just a fluke that many seem to be hitting back to back, perhaps its selective remembering? I wouldn't change your betting though, your bound to win more hands than you will lose.

depend on the play. make the chase costly for them.

 

Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd

may i suggest posting sum hands here to get advice that will be more valuable than generic answers

P5 has limited server space and bandwidth! :)

 

Originally Posted by supra1988t

They're not getting there as much as you think.

kinda like the stud who everyone thinks gets all the ladies in high school...they're not getting there as much as you think ;-)

move up to where they respect ur raises imo

It's pretty seldom you can narrow a villains range to purely a flush draw but sometimes it's the most obv scenario.

Fwiw, and this is cos I'm a super nit, if I flop big (i.e. Set/Top 2) and there's 2 cards to a flush, I don't want to bloat the pot early in the hand. This is not to say that I let them get there for free and like everything, it's situation dependent, but "making them pay" often results in making YOU pay...

Most players won't fold flush draws on the flop but they are much more likely to fold it on the turn. So if you put out your ~pot sized bet and get called on the flop, with a safe card on the turn (ie - a card that doesn't complete the flush) then you can try and chase them out... Make a bet that's giving them really bad pot odds and if they call, well whatever, we're like 85% to take it down

SlayNL

 

Originally Posted by FabulousTexan

Yet people hit them all the time.

if by all the time you mean 35% of the time... then i agree

 

Raise up 3x... get a call from middle position. Hit a set, or top-top make a pot size bet with two suited on the board, get a call. Turn's a blank, bet big again, get another call where you're pot commited, and he gets there on the river.

stop smashing the pot button

 

I never know anymore if I should bet more so the chasers pay me if they don't get there. Or do I slow down so I don't get killed when the chaser hits.

you are betting for value, if they fold you dont get said value... i know you think you want them to fold, but if them calling is a mistake you want them to do it

 

I know, I know... you want them to get the money in bad. You want them to chase....

this^

 

But why do they always freaking get there? It sure seems a lot more than 1-out-of 3 or 1-out-of-4.

it isnt as often as you feel it is... just have to think about whats best over the long haul... yeah they will get there sometimes and its soul crushing when it happens... but have to just keep on keeping on

Remembering how the cards are going helps.
Today I watched 4 hands go all-in with 2 players each time, off the flop, in which the flush hit all 4 times across 2 tables.
This was all in 20 minutes.

As much as people think things are random, they are not.

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. just gotta start calling pot bets with flush draws.

 

Originally Posted by Chipchaser

Remembering how the cards are going helps.
Today I watched 4 hands go all-in with 2 players each time, off the flop, in which the flush hit all 4 times across 2 tables.
This was all in 20 minutes.

As much as people think things are random, they are not.

lol solid sample size

 

Originally Posted by Chipchaser

Really? And seeing the same pattern doesn't make you think it isn't happening?

Do yourself a favor, open a few other tables in the same event your in and watch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_correlation
Just work on the things you can control

are you joking? The site is random. I know it seems like its not, I had 2 royal flushes in the same day the other day. Iv also had AA three times in a row at the same table. seems non random huh? well after about 300,000 hands you see it all, and trust me it evens out. poeple run stat tracking programs on thier computers that will show you things like how often your flush gets there on the river. over the long haul its going to be very close to the 38 percent or whatever

 

Originally Posted by SSG

depend on the play. make the chase costly for them.

this and its all goood

I try to be the guy who sucks out more often, which you can only do if you work on getting in behind more often