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  1. Let me first say that i obviously love poker. I have at least 15 different poker books, im a card runners and pxf member, and im at this site probably more than any other. Playing online poker is probably my favorite hobby/past time whatever, out of all the things i do.

    That being said, i dont know if it's good for me. In all honesty, when playing my A game, i consider myself an above average player. I know almost all of the right plays, i just cant make them. I'm terribly impulsive and impatient. I've tried to quell these negative personality traits for a long time, but i just dont think i can.

    I remember reading somewhere that poker just isnt for everyone. Some personality types just wont ever be top players. I think it may have been Greenstein, and i think he was probably talking about me. It sucks, but i dont know what else to do. Overall, im probably still a few grand in the black, but i couldnt tell you how many times i've built a $1500+ bankroll out of nothing, and then lost it in one 6 hour steam session. I dont think this continous pattern is healthy at all.

    The only way ive come across to help me play my A game at all times and stop me from being impulsive, is with the use of drugs. Im not sure this is something i want to be so heavily involved in.

    Sorry this was long, thanks for all responses, help, flame, whatever in advance.
  2. gl man, decisions like these are tuff
     
  3. i relate to this post as of late, getting pretty frustrated
     
  4. Honestly, you have already done the hardest part, and that it admitting that you think you need to quit. I can only imagine how hard it will be to walk away from something that you obviously enjoy doing (at least 95% of the time that you are playing, I assume that you are enjoying it). I wish you luck and hope that you are able to stick to your convictions and quit the game, if that is what you decide to do.

    Maybe you could look at staking/shadowing some players, so that you are able to elimijnate the opportunity to tilt off your stack. Or do you have a friend that you can mentor? It may be a way to put your poker knowledge and experience to work without risking your bankroll.

    Good luck, whatever you decide to do.
  5. right. I dont think i have a gambling problem. I dont gamble at all, i only play poker.
    I love the game and it isnt at all about the money to me.
    The problem i do have is with my impulsiveness and awful control of my emotions, and thats what has cost me numerous bankrolls.
    Thread Starter
  6. toodles
  7. You know what? As long as you're not steaming off the rent money, who cares? If you're playing poker with (mostly) other people's money, have fun with it if it's what you love to do!

    All you really need to do is start withdrawing money when you hit a certain level. Every time you make it to $1,000, take out $500 and work like hell to get back to $1,000 again.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.
  8. I can relate to this on many levels. I don't really gamble (I will play craps sometimes with friends), but just stay with poker. I have built sizeable rolls off of nothing. Impulsivity and lack of emotional control are not traits that have a lot of benefit in many professional settings. Poker is a tool, a game, to learn life lessons (sometimes for some people, very expensive lessons); just like little league, pop warner, etc for kids to learn sportsmanship (something severely lacking in modern poker), winning and losing, and perseverance. Sometimes tilting off a bank roll is the result of some 'life trigger' that causes unpleasantness and lack of rational thought. Think a bit more about what the rest of your life is like at the time of these meltdowns and try to guide yourself to a more even and satisfying lifestyle, sidestepping these potholes. Either way, best wishes.
    hobo
  9. if you are expecting to become a pro id highly advise you just quit and go on to greener pastures (like ~92% of us online players are long term losers)

    if you like playing poker and are not playing with money that can cripple id advise you keep up with the hobby if you enjoy it--and treat is as such. A HOBBY

    best of luck mang
  10. The best way to remain profitable is lifestyle control. Since poker is populated by gamblers and "action junkies" it is an easy game to beat. Here is how:

    1. Maintain a whole foods near vegetarian diet.

    2. Always workout before each poker session.

    3. Always get enough sleep.

    4. See your dentist and physician on a regular basis.

    5. Have a hobby (I just bought a HOG)

    6. Get enough sex.

    7. Study the game and be brutally honest about your play.

    Since poker is full of degenerates who try to use gambling to fulfill voids by not doing what I said above you will prevail. Oh by doing everything above you will prevail in life.
  11. Eric, with regards to point 6. how much is "enough" sex ? and does masturbation count ??
  12. "I dont think i have a gambling problem. I dont gamble at all, i only play poker."

    Mikey, i think this could be where your problem starts.....the fact that you are winning and losing money on a regular basis and with little or no self control...poker IS gambling!
  13. Mike, I wish you the best.

    P.S. You need to bang a professor. Referencing your old OT post.
  14. I have tried to convince people, including my girlfriend, about the point you made..Being impulsive and impatient does not mean you have a gambling problem, it means you are personally undisciplined..i read many poker books and was basically a break even player (mostly live) until i read a couple of poker books about the "psychology of poker." If you read through these books in detail you will figure out what personal flaws you have that keep you from being profitable in the long run..after that you must adjust your game accordingly..
    My biggest problem, which is very similar to yours, is that i would turn nothing into alot, let my ego get in the way, and then jump up limits out of my br or multi table when starting to run bad and continuously rebuying in a vain attempt to get what i lost back..
    Your best bet is to be focused when you play.
    Prepare yourself for the day in which you will play which includes:
    1)Decide exactly what you will play that day, cash games, sngs or mtts, hu
    pick one to focus on and play that strictly
    if you are anything like i was then cash games are a really bad idea!!
    2)find something to keep your attention focused on the task at hand
    i generally read alot of articles on here when im not in a hand once ive figured out my table
    3)when you make a nice cash, DO NOT get right back into playing..take a break maybe even for the rest of the day..
    4) keep yourself from the BIG POT mentality
    5)play within your means

    i have some other advice but this is getting long so if you ever want some more feel free to pm me..im not the best player but i can give you great advice here having alot of personal experience with this situation
    thanks,
    chris
  15. Maybe you could try varying your rate of play....Read somewhere from Vanessa Rousso, I think, that she takes so much time each decision to really think it out and just to make sure her decision isn't based on an impulse...Still when you're doing this it could be difficult not to blunt your instinct...Coz like Brunson says usually your first instinct is the right one...so don't abandon it...Try making a mental note of your first impression then think everything thru before acting...make yourself take longer before you act to help rule out the impulsivity...If nothing else this would help you get the table speeders off their game, make you think more about your opponent and help you with putting them on a hand...Try looking at Phil Gordon's long list of questions he asks himself when making a decision...its in his Green Book...if you get in the habit of pausing to consider all the angles and asking yourself a lot of questions this might help your impulsivity...Just my 2 cents...
  16. Bye gg
  17. If you love the game play it for that reason. I was the same way except now that i built that bankroll i still play lower limits. I play the game because i love to sit, play, and learn the game not to make money. And what do u know i am winning money. It is much slower process but youll get to play the game you love, learn just as much about the game, and make money in the process. Losing money when your bankroll can withstand that loss will not then affect you mentally which will let you then play you absolute "A" game with no worries stress or mental anguish. If you have a $1,500 br which is where im at dont play anything over $10 or $20 sng's or mtt or $25nl and play to play not to win you will win. Bankroll management is your problem and it was what i did wrong. Once i corrected it i became profitable. Dont Quit the game you love. Oh yea and just smoke the weed it also really helps :P.

    Hope i inspired u,

    Trippp
  18. I agree with suth, I am an impulsive person and I have learned to ask myself before any action I make, what am I trying to accomplish with this move , If Im thinkin about reraisng I ask why, checking why, folding why, this keeps me from spewing chips impulsively. So I take about the ame time to act on every hand no matter what which I think also helps my image at the table I hope this might help.
  19. I wouldn't quit the game forever. Take a break for about 6-8 months and think about it. Read, watch, and talk to good players. Put $50 into Star after the break and play small, get some confidance and you will be fine. I was in the same spot, quit for 8 months, then when I turned 21, deposited $50 on stars and qualified for the WSOP ME. If I can do it, you can too.
  20. The only thing I can say to people that tilt off their roll is don't do it. In the end, you are the one sitting at tables you can't really afford, and you're the one losing the roll. Put a sticky note on your monitor, listing your max buy-in. Ask friends to give you a beating if they see you playing above your head. Do anything to keep off those higher stakes! You sound like a winning player if only you could practice proper BR management.
    Don't quit the game if you love it: play really low limits and continue loving it. If you win money it's nice, but it shouldn't be the main concern if you're not a professional poker player.
  21. "The problem i do have is with my impulsiveness and awful control of my emotions, and thats what has cost me numerous bankrolls."

    I find that people tend to play games like poker and chess in a way that corresponds with their personalities. Do you find you have trouble controling your emotions and impulses in day to day life? If not, then why do you have that problem in poker? What do you do to keep yourself from acting rashly in your day to day life? Try using that same tactic in poker.
  22. really appreciate the responses guys. Not sure what im going to do yet...probably will pick up a "psychology" of poker book, bc i think that response hit the nail on the head.

    I still love the game and dont necessarily want to quit, i just need to be a calmer more rational person so i can stay within the confines of my "A" game for an entire tourney.
    Thread Starter
  23. Some thoughts to change your psychological environment....

    A.)You don't lose money, you spend money.

    B.)There's much discussion hereabouts re finding a poker coach/mentor.
    Clearly, some players could use a poker psychologist or maturity mentor.

    C.) Success happens when you make the right play...win or lose. Ahem..earn or spend.

    D.) Turn off your chat. You don't say anything: you don't hear what others are saying.
    This one change alone will reduce drastically your steaminess.
  24. i love A and D welch, tyvm.

    im actually playing as i post this, so i guess im not really quitting. it's only a $4.40 180 man though, gonna start cheap and instead of working on my game, gonna work on the psychology of it.

    TYVM for all posts, really appreciate looking up for my lame ass.
    Thread Starter
  25. I'm in a similar situation. However, a poker regimen is just like a workout regimen. If you do one thing too much it will actually do more harm than good. So taking time off might be good. I would also suggest mixing it up, and trying new games and formats. You can also give online poker a rest for awhie and just play live. If you can afford to play (and afford the possibility of losing), then you def. shouldn't quit.
  26. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeedd><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD>Re(4): Did Prahlad
    by jalman1 on 6/17/2007 22:56 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD bgColor=#ffffff></TD><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>Is poker fun for everyone??? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    It was me who said it Mikey
  27. If you have too much time and too much money, poker's the game for you, if not, there are a million things that are a better use of both.

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