I'm not posting this as a bad beat but as the answer to the frustrated posts from the low limit player who's getting killed by opponents sucking out and making horrible plays.

The post usually goes something like this... Hand history where the hero bets 3-5x with preflop with a good hand. Some donkey either calls or even pushes over the top with a mediocre pair, weak ace, or any 2 suited. Hero bets to deny the draw, villain chases. Villain hits a miralce river and busts the hero.

Hero is amazed how such bad play is rewarded.

Hero posts here wondering if he should move up in limits because people, the logic goes, better players won't make dumb calls preflop and won't chase draws to the river regardless of pot odds.

I understand the frustration because I started playing the $5 SnGs and worked my way up. I remember becoming enraged a few occassions when some donkey made a mind numbingly horrid play and was rewarded. And, yeah, sometimes they come in series.

You're looking for answers and the rationalization is playing "players that know how to play right" won't make stupid plays and suckout.

PokerStars Game #19486021738: Tournament #101111438, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/08/09 - 14:46:00 (ET)
Table '101111438 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ChampsPoker (880 in chips)
Seat 2: bluebuilder (2300 in chips)
Seat 3: npfd14 (1420 in chips)
Seat 4: roeydo (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: al monaco (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: elwayrulz (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: dj26xxx (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: johneecanuck (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: TexnNOcala (1500 in chips)
npfd14: posts small blind 10
roeydo: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TexnNOcala [Ah Kd]
al monaco: folds
elwayrulz: calls 20
dj26xxx: folds
johneecanuck: folds
TexnNOcala: raises 80 to 100
ChampsPoker: folds
bluebuilder: calls 100
npfd14: folds
roeydo: folds
elwayrulz: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8h Ac]
elwayrulz: checks
TexnNOcala: bets 185
bluebuilder: calls 185
elwayrulz: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 8h Ac] [2c]
TexnNOcala: bets 425
bluebuilder: calls 425
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8h Ac 2c] [2h]
TexnNOcala: checks
bluebuilder: bets 740
TexnNOcala: raises 50 to 790 and is all-in
bluebuilder: calls 50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TexnNOcala: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
bluebuilder: shows [Jh 4h] (a flush, King high)
TexnNOcala said, "DEAR GOID"
bluebuilder collected 3130 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3130 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 8h Ac 2c 2h]
Seat 1: ChampsPoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bluebuilder (button) showed [Jh 4h] and won (3130) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: npfd14 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: roeydo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: al monaco folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: elwayrulz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: dj26xxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: johneecanuck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TexnNOcala showed [Ah Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings

The point here isn't to whine about a bad beat but just point out that there is horrible play at levels higher than $5 and $10.

As frustrating as it is at the moment, long term you should understand that guys making horrible plays will pay you.

If you keep playing good poker you will build your bankroll and your skill will improve to where you move up because you've got the bankroll and the game to compete with better players.

Moving up because you want to avoid bad players? Not the answer.

 

Originally Posted by FabulousTexan

I'm not posting this as a bad beat but as the answer to the frustrated posts from the low limit player who's getting killed by opponents sucking out and making horrible plays.

The post usually goes something like this... Hand history where the hero bets 3-5x with preflop with a good hand. Some donkey either calls or even pushes over the top with a mediocre pair, weak ace, or any 2 suited. Hero bets to deny the draw, villain chases. Villain hits a miralce river and busts the hero.

Hero is amazed how such bad play is rewarded.

Hero posts here wondering if he should move up in limits because people, the logic goes, better players won't make dumb calls preflop and won't chase draws to the river regardless of pot odds.

I understand the frustration because I started playing the $5 SnGs and worked my way up. I remember becoming enraged a few occassions when some donkey made a mind numbingly horrid play and was rewarded. And, yeah, sometimes they come in series.

You're looking for answers and the rationalization is playing "players that know how to play right" won't make stupid plays and suckout.

PokerStars Game #19486021738: Tournament #101111438, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/08/09 - 14:46:00 (ET)
Table '101111438 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ChampsPoker (880 in chips)
Seat 2: bluebuilder (2300 in chips)
Seat 3: npfd14 (1420 in chips)
Seat 4: roeydo (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: al monaco (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: elwayrulz (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: dj26xxx (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: johneecanuck (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: TexnNOcala (1500 in chips)
npfd14: posts small blind 10
roeydo: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TexnNOcala [Ah Kd]
al monaco: folds
elwayrulz: calls 20
dj26xxx: folds
johneecanuck: folds
TexnNOcala: raises 80 to 100
ChampsPoker: folds
bluebuilder: calls 100
npfd14: folds
roeydo: folds
elwayrulz: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kh 8h Ac]
elwayrulz: checks
TexnNOcala: bets 185
bluebuilder: calls 185
elwayrulz: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 8h Ac] [2c]
TexnNOcala: bets 425
bluebuilder: calls 425
*** RIVER *** [Kh 8h Ac 2c] [2h]
TexnNOcala: checks
bluebuilder: bets 740
TexnNOcala: raises 50 to 790 and is all-in
bluebuilder: calls 50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TexnNOcala: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
bluebuilder: shows [Jh 4h] (a flush, King high)
TexnNOcala said, "DEAR GOID"
bluebuilder collected 3130 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3130 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 8h Ac 2c 2h]
Seat 1: ChampsPoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bluebuilder (button) showed [Jh 4h] and won (3130) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: npfd14 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: roeydo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: al monaco folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: elwayrulz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: dj26xxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: johneecanuck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TexnNOcala showed [Ah Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings

The point here isn't to whine about a bad beat but just point out that there is horrible play at levels higher than $5 and $10.

As frustrating as it is at the moment, long term you should understand that guys making horrible plays will pay you.

If you keep playing good poker you will build your bankroll and your skill will improve to where you move up because you've got the bankroll and the game to compete with better players.

Moving up because you want to avoid bad players? Not the answer.

Your using a $50 buy for an example of higher quality players....LMAO

I must say that reading the poker discussion forum anymore, is almost untolerable to me.

 

Originally Posted by FabulousTexan

The point of the was pointing out that the plays you see at $5 and $10 tables are the same ones you see at higher stakes.

A $50 buy in is not high stakes.

Texan doesn't claim it is high stakes anywhere in her post. It is higher than the players who come on here bitchin about a bad beat in a $5/10 sng or mtt who thinks they need to move up limits to avoid bad suckouts. It is a good example for those players. She doesn't need a $100 or $150 mtt for the example.

why are you checking and raising all in on river? you should either shove or check fold....i cant seem to find a logical reason why you would check call or raise the river.

I hear this a lot as it relates to SNGs

In a $500 SNG, when you are in 4th place on the bubble, you'll have to fight like hell for a spot, because the others aren't making loose calls. In a $5 SNG, you often back in because 3rd place called the chipleader's frequent shoves with K9 s0000000ted.

In a $500 SNG, when you are in 3rd place on the bubble, your hands are tied as blind after blind is stolen. In a $5 SNG, often the chipleader is bad enough to give you a walk or let you see a free flop!

In a $500 SNG, early on when you get it allin preflop with KK, you are against QQ+ most of the time, and often not QQ. In a $5 SNG, you are up against AJ+ or 88+, and often worse.

Which opponents would you rather play? lol