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Thought on my chop

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  1. kalangis612 kalangis612 is offline

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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:07pm)

    Last night i chopped the AP 150k. Heading into the chop discussion i was confident i was the best player left 5 handed. However as some know the blind structure is horrific and i was sitting in 2nd place with about 17bbs. Considering i had a pretty big edge on the rest of the players left including the big stack what should i have been looking to get out of a chop.

    CL- 350k

    me- 220k

    3rd- 200k

    4th- 150k

    5th-50k

    Blinds at 6-12k with antes at 800 i think

    payouts were 1st 34.5k 2nd 24k 3rd 16k 4th 12k 5th 9k

    When we chopped i got ~23k

    SO even thought i felt i had a pretty big edge at this table (all satty qualifiers under 10k in cashes) I thought chopping and basically taking 2nd place money was the right idea. I asked for something to be left for winner but AP's floor managers ride the struggle bus so it ended with me taking 23k. Im obviously happy about the money but a few people told me i shouldnt have taken the chop. Turning down this much of a pay jump with only 17bbs seemed like it would be a bad idea. Any thoughts?
     
  2. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:15pm) in reply to kalangis612

    Don't have much experience with chops but it seems to me that any sort of guaranteed is much better than the possibility unless there is a huge void in the potential equity, you only gave up a little over 30% on your best case scenario and with the stacks being so short any mistake\suckout is potentially disastrous... I think you made the right move.
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:18pm) in reply to kalangis612

    you should have waited until the 50k guy was eliminated before chopping
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:18pm) in reply to kalangis612

    Always play for the win.
  5. kalangis612 kalangis612 is offline

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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:18pm) in reply to dgillis

    thats kind of what i thought. if we had been deeper maybe 30bbs i think i woulda wanted to play farther. just seemed a bit risky to me with such low chip stacks.
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:23pm) in reply to kalangis612

    that's a great chop, with the blinds so high you were basically tied for second with two other players and you got second place money If I was 2nd third or fourth in chips I chop there as well for that money, if i'm fifth or first I keep playing
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 4:51pm) in reply to wavegoodbye

    good chop. next time let the shorty bust first.
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 7:38pm) in reply to woertink

    Everybody is saying 'let the shorty bust first' as if it was inevitable. The same blind/ante sizes that makes this a good chop for the OP makes the 50K guy still dangerous. He could double up once and be sitting at 120K if he is called by the button or cutoff. The short stack might just win the hand.
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 7:49pm) in reply to woertink

    good chop given stacks.

    ignore the shortie stuff. - too much variability there to wait.

    You got a solid deal.
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 7:55pm) in reply to kalangis612

    Agreed, this looks like a good chop to me..
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 7:58pm) in reply to kalangis612

    how much did the top guy get?
     
  12. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 7:59pm) in reply to kalangis612

    what did the guy with 50k get? What did everyone get? Cant answer your question unless I know what everyone got.
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 8:01pm) in reply to Pist0nH0nda

    top guy got a bit less than 27k. 3rd got about 22k. I thought about waiting for the ss to bust but he only got like 1k more than 5th was getting anyways. Also it would be easy for any of these stacks to double once or even twice with these blinds and instantly change the whole dynamic of the game.
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 8:05pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    It looks like u did fine in the chop.
     
  15. kalangis612 kalangis612 is offline

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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 8:06pm) in reply to kalangis612

    total chop breakdown went something like this (not 100% sure)

    chipleader 350k got about 27k (34.5 for 1st)

    Me 220k got 23k (24 for 2nd)

    3rd had 200k got about 22k (16 for 3rd)

    4th i cant remember his portion but probaly around 14 (12k for 4th)

    5th got a bit over 10k (9k for 5th)
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 8:45pm) in reply to kalangis612

    Looks like you did fine, I might be wrong but wouldnt the short stack been better off taking his chances and start shoving???
     
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 8:55pm) in reply to kalangis612

    ok, I take it back. If the short stack only got 1k extra, then it was a great chop. Knocking him out first wouldn't have increased your take by much more anyways.

    Can't believe he would agree to that. I'd have told you guys no deal if I was him. Same with 4th place guy. Looks like he only got marginally more out of that deal too.
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    Oct 19th, 2008 (10/19/2008 10:03pm) in reply to kalangis612

    Thanks for the input guys
     
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