Do you guys take the rebuy right away or wait til u bust? And why?

I take it right away. Wouldn't you rather double up to 6000 instead of to 3000

right away so when all the guys that are dumpin there 3k stacks i get full double with mine

 

Originally Posted by fingaz

To me, it seems there's more value to stay alive than there is to get a large stack early. Since most players these days DO take the add-on early, your advantage of having that big stack is watered down.

what happens when you get it allin with your half stack against a double stack?? your only doubling up half of what you could be

 

Originally Posted by elimherr

what happens when you get it allin with your half stack against a double stack?? your only doubling up half of what you could be

I understand what you're saying, but I actually find it much easier to double through a big stack when I have 1/2 stack and he's only risking 1/2 his stack than when we BOTH have a full stack and our tourney lives at risk.

 

Originally Posted by Superleggera

but what if you do decide to grind w/ 1500 instead of 3000 chips and end up busting at 40/80 blinds for example. Then when you rebuy you have under 20BB. Just doesn't make sense.

At stars the 1/2 stack is 3000 and the level only hits 50/100 before the add-on, so 30bb is still reasonable play imo. Believe me, I'm ALL about having a big stack, that's when my game shines, but for me it just doesn't seem like the big stack advantages outweigh the risk of elimination.

 

Originally Posted by ugain2004

I think this is somewhat table dependent. I usually rebuy at the beginning if at least 2-3 others at the table rebuy. But if no one rebuys at the beginning (very rare), then it is pointless to rebuy b/c even if you get all in, other players are only gonna have 1 starting stack. I always base this decision on my table.

Tell me what's better, rebuying at the beginning and having 6000 chips...busting a 3000 chips stack and having 9000 or......not rebuying.....busting this same stack and having 6000?

Edit:Always, Always rebuy at the beginning.

 

Originally Posted by aad

this and if I happen to bust with my double stack, well I have saved the addon. If you take one buyin, go bust and then another, you are behind everyone that took the double buyin and wayyyyy behind the ones that doubled up their double buyin.

This is actually the first unique point that I can kinda get behind. I'm not trying to change anyone's thoughts but was seeing if someone can actually change mine to join the masses. Hasn't happened yet. I still think it's more advantageous to having 2 lives in a tourney rather than 1, over having a larger early stack.

 

Originally Posted by hushpuckena

When I first started playing seriously, I remember reading TJ Cloutier's advice to wait till you get broke, but I've never cared for that-I always take it at the start.

Great, TJ agrees w/ me? NOW I should reconsider! Now THAT's a good argument for the other side.

many misconceptions itt

 

Originally Posted by donkthorne04

many misconceptions itt

thanks for your thoughts. care to elaborate?

i feel like ur losing equity when u dont rebuy right away cuz ur hindering the amount of chips you could win.....

 

Originally Posted by zonarounder

thanks for your thoughts. care to elaborate?

The EV we gain in making the 2nd hour is huge. 11c and under I can understand why people rebuy immediately, you're more likely to be at a table filled with clowns. (I still don't.) 22c and up I don't see the point. You simplify life while pretty much ensuring we make hour 2 99.9% of the time. Also leads to less postflop mistakes iyam. Most people just robot it and take the rebuy without thinking about it. I might be crazy, I rarely see regs do anything but take the rebuy at the start. My idea of fun also isn't playing 300 bb deep then 200 bb deep anteless poker with a table filled with regs for the first half hour, either. Now if you feel you have a really huge postflop edge then by all means go ahead, but I don't think I do.

Ensuring we make the 2nd hour 100% of the time or very very close to it is key.

I think theres no argument for taking the rebuy off the bat....the deeper the stacks the higher your edge would be on a table filled with weaker players, so why wouldnt you want to increase your edge? I dont think of trying to make it to the 2nd hour as much as collecting chips, and the mistakes made by weaker players with 300 bbs vs 100 bbs would lead to more profit

 

Originally Posted by z06fanatic

I think theres no argument for taking the rebuy off the bat....the deeper the stacks the higher your edge would be on a table filled with weaker players, so why wouldnt you want to increase your edge? I dont think of trying to make it to the 2nd hour as much as collecting chips, and the mistakes made by weaker players with 300 bbs vs 100 bbs would lead to more profit

I think there are lots of arguments for taking the rebuy off the bat actually. I don't think people give enough credit to the fact that remaining in the tournament is a major advantage to not. Like people that always defend their calls w/ pot odds when the truth is, if they decided to wait for a more EV spot, they'll fair much better in the long run. I'm not exactly of the Phil Helmuth wait for the nuts mindset, that's just embarassing, but I think there's a happy medium. Believe me, I don't have much trouble accumulating chips early starting w/ a 150bb stack, and I would much prefer to still be in the tournament while doing it.

 

Originally Posted by mindtrip954

how often are we busting the first hour? hardly ever... were playing pretty tight, big hands, when we get big hadns we want to win as many chips as possible... any advantage to not rebuying does not = the advantage of rebuying right away...

Ya, but how often are we getting bad beat? Me personally? Quite often lol. I'd rather have a lil bad beat protection. I have more than enough confidence to handle a 1/2 stack and run the table over with it. Oh, and if I start to feel my edge is diminishing, I WILL take the add-on.

 

Originally Posted by fingaz

I think there are lots of arguments for taking the rebuy off the bat actually. I don't think people give enough credit to the fact that remaining in the tournament is a major advantage to not. Like people that always defend their calls w/ pot odds when the truth is, if they decided to wait for a more EV spot, they'll fair much better in the long run. I'm not exactly of the Phil Helmuth wait for the nuts mindset, that's just embarassing, but I think there's a happy medium. Believe me, I don't have much trouble accumulating chips early starting w/ a 150bb stack, and I would much prefer to still be in the tournament while doing it.

Ya, but how often are we getting bad beat? Me personally? Quite often lol. I'd rather have a lil bad beat protection. I have more than enough confidence to handle a 1/2 stack and run the table over with it. Oh, and if I start to feel my edge is diminishing, I WILL take the add-on.

in the first hour... not often...