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Thoughts on this hand- 11x bb raise from late pos holding 1010 on button

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  1. wazzu2001 wazzu2001 is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2008 (7/30/2008 7:16pm)

    Villian had been doing anywhere between a 7-10 x raise frequently without any resistance. Curious what your play would be here? Smooth call and re-evaluate after flop since it's early and I've built a good stack, or shove it in and hope we're up against a smaller pair or at the very least racing? Makes it really complicated in that we have no info on what his over-raise means.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7442752702: $16,000 Guarantee (55855751), Table 53 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:30 ET - 2008/07/30

    Seat 1: Poulou (2,675)

    Seat 2: Wazzu2001 (9,310)

    Seat 3: DEEEPANL (4,195)

    Seat 4: PpppKkk2 (6,825)

    Seat 5: NV Bodog (940)

    Seat 6: diver11 (5,255)

    Seat 7: BB_defender (6,960)

    Seat 8: Chills_Lilley (5,090)

    Seat 9: costalot2007 (6,515)

    DEEEPANL posts the small blind of 50

    PpppKkk2 posts the big blind of 100

    The button is in seat #2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Wazzu2001 [Th Ts]

    NV Bodog folds

    diver11 folds

    BB_defender folds

    Chills_Lilley folds

    costalot2007 has 15 seconds left to act

    costalot2007 raises to 1,100

    Poulou folds

    Wazzu2001 ???
     
  2. brainwash brainwash is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2008 (7/30/2008 7:54pm) in reply to wazzu2001

    if that's his standard raise size, just shove
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  3. ill flu ill flu is offline

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    Jul 30th, 2008 (7/30/2008 7:57pm) in reply to wazzu2001

    shove regardless.
  4. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 1:46am) in reply to ill flu

    ship it.

    you've got more chips so you aren't going bust -- and how good a hand are you going to wait for?
     
  5. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 1:51am) in reply to wazzu2001

    To be honest i don't think a shove here is really great...60bb with TT all in preflop is kinda ridiculous unless you know this guy is gonna be willing to call your reraise with 77+/AT+ or wider...you need him to get it in as an underdogat least sometimes for shoving to be+EV. Even if he's opening a sickly wide range and will fold 2/3rds of it, you gotta still be at least like 45% vs his call range to be good here. Which means your 3bet cant fold out hands like 77...if he only calls your 3bet with TT+AJ+ then its bad.
  6. JRoth15 JRoth15 is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 2:29am) in reply to TheMayor

    I'd assume if he's going to open w/ an 11x raise, he's probably going to stack off with much worse here. SHOVE
  7. IronRing08 IronRing08 is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 2:40am) in reply to TheMayor

    The 'rediculous' part is the 11bb raise, not a shove. Since he's raising frequently and they're all in this range of bet size this is an insta-snap shove imo. A flat call here is bad cause hes probably going to bet the flop, and assuming its 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot (if not a pot sized bet from this donk) you have no fold equity even if theres 1 over or no overs. Folding is bad too because just what exactly are you waiting for? Shoving your stack here exploits his raise to your advantage. The point of shoving is to end the hand PF and pick up his donk raise and the blinds. If he calls and you lose you still have 30bbs and if you win, you've got a monster stack. Shove.
     
  8. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 3:19am) in reply to IronRing08

     
    Originally Posted by IronRing08 View Post

    The 'rediculous' part is the 11bb raise, not a shove. Since he's raising frequently and they're all in this range of bet size this is an insta-snap shove imo. A flat call here is bad cause hes probably going to bet the flop, and assuming its 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot (if not a pot sized bet from this donk) you have no fold equity even if theres 1 over or no overs. Folding is bad too because just what exactly are you waiting for? Shoving your stack here exploits his raise to your advantage. The point of shoving is to end the hand PF and pick up his donk raise and the blinds. If he calls and you lose you still have 30bbs and if you win, you've got a monster stack. Shove.

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  9. wazzu2001 wazzu2001 is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2008 (7/31/2008 1:54pm) in reply to wazzu2001

    Thanks to all who responded. I did shove and lost to AK. No biggie, I grinded my stack back to 10 k during the second hour and lost another race in the third hour.

    But I definitely think pushing was the right thing to do. Especially if I win the hand and have a huge chip stack, I feel confident that I would have been able to keep accumulating chips in what I would consider one of the weaker $26 tournies on FTP (An oxymoron?).

    Even on a dry flop I think he just overplays AK and shoves the rest of his chips in. But definitely not the kind of raise you want to see with pocket 10's.
     
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