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  1. mm Guinness mm mm Guinness mm is offline

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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:23pm)

    Overplaying hands late...example.

    30 rebuy FTP. Around 60 left, 27 paid out of a 190 field. Blinds 200/400 ante 25.

    Pretty standard TAG image.

    Villian: 11k in chips, LAG, has been lucky in a few races thus far at table. First to act opens for 1200.

    Folds around to hero middle position 4 with TT, 9500 chips. He pushes, folds around to villian who snaps off AQ offsuit.

    Does anyone have a problem with this type of leak in their game late in the field? The right play should have been to take a flop and control the pot size. I was playing well and under that strategy for 2 straight hours, then gave my 20 BBs away to a gambler.

    Thoughts on being less pushy late or similar experiences trying to get over it?
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:31pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    I feel you are just being results oriented here. Your play is fine especially if you know villain has been playing loose.
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:37pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:40pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    no leaks here, pretty standard
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:42pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    wouldnt call it a leak, both plays seem really standard. flip better imo
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:43pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    Fold the hand if you dont want to risk racing off ur 20bb stack. I ship the tens here vs this read you have tho.
     
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:46pm) in reply to Brain Damage

    What would you do if you called and an Ace was on the flop? How about a king or queen?
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:46pm) in reply to blockyblockhead

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This thread is horrid. Dude got in a 40bb pot with 1010 v AQ and we are questioning if he played bad, like PLZ NIT MORE and play for 9th's
     
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:49pm) in reply to blockyblockhead

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This is why i feel so dumb in hindsight. I did have a pretty solid read on the villians opening ranges, but realistically I was lucky to not be dominated. I'm a recreational sng player, $50-$100 buy ins. And while I do well in those, I've been trying to develop a MTT game to take shots on sundays. Any thoughts on playing large stack poker late helps. Ty.
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 7:53pm) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This thread is horrid. Dude got in a 40bb pot with 1010 v AQ and we are questioning if he played bad, like PLZ NIT MORE and play for 9th's

    ^^^this^^^
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 8:03pm) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This thread is horrid. Dude got in a 40bb pot with 1010 v AQ and we are questioning if he played bad, like PLZ NIT MORE and play for 9th's

    Okay maybe it's a pretty generic situational post but I'm just looking for some solid feedback on tough spots. Appst08 what exactly is NIT, and could you give me solid advice on final tabling 9 hour, 10k GTD, $3k for first $40 for 10th marathons?
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 8:03pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

     
    Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm View Post

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This is why i feel so dumb in hindsight. I did have a pretty solid read on the villians opening ranges, but realistically I was lucky to not be dominated. I'm a recreational sng player, $50-$100 buy ins. And while I do well in those, I've been trying to develop a MTT game to take shots on sundays. Any thoughts on playing large stack poker late helps. Ty.

    Yea since you are deepstacked with 20bbs, you should nit up and not gamble. You should use your post-flop skills to your advantage. If you had 5bbs I think you should shove tho.
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 8:10pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    Didn't say deepstacked.
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 8:10pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

     
    Originally Posted by SigmaBetaRho View Post

     
    Originally Posted by mm Guinness mm View Post

     
    Originally Posted by blockyblockhead View Post

    Sorry, but I hate the shove there. It's not surprising to get called with that hand by the way, I've noticed that a lot of people love to call all-ins with AQo.

    You were still in decent shape with your 20 BBs and shoving against an UTG or UTG +1 raiser with pocket 10's when you still have plenty of poker left to play is a bad move.

    I hate pocket 10's though and although a lot of people may 3-bet him there I would likely just call given his earlier position because it's over 60% to flop a card higher than a 10, and he's likely to have something like AK or AQ.

    I'm interested in what other people have to say here though, is my assessment here too passive?

    This is why i feel so dumb in hindsight. I did have a pretty solid read on the villians opening ranges, but realistically I was lucky to not be dominated. I'm a recreational sng player, $50-$100 buy ins. And while I do well in those, I've been trying to develop a MTT game to take shots on sundays. Any thoughts on playing large stack poker late helps. Ty.

    Yea since you are deepstacked with 20bbs, you should nit up and not gamble. You should use your post-flop skills to your advantage. If you had 5bbs I think you should shove tho.

    plz plz plz be a level.

    lmao
     
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    Aug 6th, 2009 (8/6/2009 8:18pm) in reply to mm Guinness mm

    Does anyone have a problem with this type of leak in their game late in the field?

    I do exactly this and I don't consider it a leak. In fact in the lower buy-in MTTs I play I think I am one of a smallish group of players who know to do this and use the strategy to their advantage.

    I shove TT there and hope I'm racing two overcards or crushing a smaller pocket pair. I am delighted to see AQ.

    Run better please.
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