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  1. Arizona Bay Arizona Bay is offline

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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 5:07pm)

    Do I have to shove here? I mean it looks like a pretty standard shove to me given the stacks left to act but I'd like to hear what others do in this spot. No real reads on any players that would help define calling ranges.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #16595406177: $750,000 Guarantee (117208673), Table 126 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:52:11 ET - 2009/12/06
    Seat 1: slarevenpar (18,847)
    Seat 2: Johnny Brunson (6,945)
    Seat 3: SpoonmaN2333 (16,236)
    Seat 4: kendalljack (10,529)
    Seat 5: rafiboy (10,225)
    Seat 6: LuigiCorleone (15,410)
    Seat 7: passiv (14,318)
    Seat 8: Tran281282 (76,175), is sitting out
    Seat 9: DamLam818 (15,090)
    slarevenpar antes 100
    Johnny Brunson antes 100
    SpoonmaN2333 antes 100
    kendalljack antes 100
    rafiboy antes 100
    LuigiCorleone antes 100
    passiv antes 100
    Tran281282 antes 100
    DamLam818 antes 100
    rafiboy posts the small blind of 400
    LuigiCorleone posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SpoonmaN2333 [6s 6c]
    DamLam818 has been disconnected
    DamLam818 has reconnected
    passiv folds
    Tran281282 folds
    DamLam818 folds
    slarevenpar has 15 seconds left to act
    slarevenpar folds
    Johnny Brunson folds
    SpoonmaN2333: ?

    Is there any way I can fold here? It may also be worth noting I have the guy who makes it 6k on the flop labeled "complete tard" apparently from another time playing with him but i haven't seen him do anything silly at this particular table.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #16614978974: $33,000 KO Guarantee (123067051), Table 46 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:31:22 ET - 2009/12/07
    Seat 1: PBAM (17,982)
    Seat 2: syuga (15,544)
    Seat 3: Herminigilde (15,364)
    Seat 4: suk12 (36,695)
    Seat 5: nutinatrap8 (23,572)
    Seat 6: tisuwheel (21,423)
    Seat 8: SpoonmaN2333 (23,775)
    Seat 9: U RIBELLU 13 (35,365)
    PBAM antes 50
    syuga antes 50
    Herminigilde antes 50
    suk12 antes 50
    nutinatrap8 antes 50
    tisuwheel antes 50
    SpoonmaN2333 antes 50
    U RIBELLU 13 antes 50
    PBAM posts the small blind of 250
    syuga posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SpoonmaN2333 [Kc Tc]
    Herminigilde folds
    suk12 folds
    nutinatrap8 folds
    tisuwheel folds
    SpoonmaN2333 raises to 1,200
    isso77 sits down
    isso77 adds 17,190
    U RIBELLU 13 has 15 seconds left to act
    U RIBELLU 13 calls 1,200
    PBAM folds
    syuga calls 700
    *** FLOP *** [3c 5s 8c]
    syuga has 15 seconds left to act
    syuga checks
    SpoonmaN2333 has 15 seconds left to act
    SpoonmaN2333 bets 2,250
    U RIBELLU 13 raises to 6,000
    syuga raises to 14,294, and is all in
    SpoonmaN2333 has 15 seconds left to act
    SpoonmaN2333 has requested TIME
    SpoonmaN2333:?
  2. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 5:53pm) in reply to Arizona Bay

    Hand 1 - depends on your image. If you have a tight image shove. Reason is their calling range will be pretty tight if you're TAG and they will fold most hands. If you have a laggy image, fold because this increases their calling range and, at best, you'll be flipping

    Hand 2 - i probably shove. you have the flush draw and probably have at least 1 maybe 2 live overcards = 12-15 outs and with those odds you have to shove
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  3. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Dec 7th, 2009 (12/7/2009 6:01pm) in reply to Arizona Bay

    First hand : Always a good spot to shove from the C/o with 20bbs, ALL IN

    Second Hand : I fold, once all the money gets in you're going to be getting no more than ~3:1 (Riebell most likely isn't folding here) which definitely isn't enough to call it off with the second nuts draw, because A. villains probably have some of your club outs, B. even if you hit theres a good chance syuga or Ribellu has the nut flush draw, C. Overcards can't be considered outs with this action because it wouldn't be uncommon for one of villains to have a set here.
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