5$ 2rebuys 1 addon.............................just wonder if my fold here is a little to tight and if so should i flat or raise???? no reads on early raiser

pokerstars Game #32209538687: Tournament #188959673, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2009/08/29 18:30:59 ET
Table '188959673 225' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Shura1990 (15337 in chips)
Seat 2: Ray1718 (12302 in chips)
Seat 3: stritfighter (14501 in chips)
Seat 4: cleanerchen (20455 in chips)
Seat 5: jalla79 (10706 in chips)
Seat 6: plumbers boy (6416 in chips)
Seat 7: Ser Davos (14075 in chips)
Seat 8: Frederick197 (16845 in chips)
Seat 9: AVANDEKAART (5685 in chips)
Shura1990: posts the ante 25
Ray1718: posts the ante 25
stritfighter: posts the ante 25
cleanerchen: posts the ante 25
jalla79: posts the ante 25
plumbers boy: posts the ante 25
Ser Davos: posts the ante 25
Frederick197: posts the ante 25
AVANDEKAART: posts the ante 25
Ray1718: posts small blind 100
stritfighter: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ser Davos [Js Jd]
cleanerchen: calls 200
jalla79: raises 1200 to 1400
plumbers boy: folds
Ser Davos: folds
Frederick197: folds
AVANDEKAART: folds
Shura1990: folds
Ray1718: folds
stritfighter: folds
cleanerchen: folds
Uncalled bet (1200) returned to jalla79
jalla79 collected 925 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 925 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Shura1990 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ray1718 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: stritfighter (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: cleanerchen folded before Flop
Seat 5: jalla79 collected (925)
Seat 6: plumbers boy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ser Davos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Frederick197 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: AVANDEKAART folded before Flop (didn't bet)

are you gonna fold QQ here too? i never fold.

 

Originally Posted by Ser Davos

no qq plus iam raising here but with the jj id hate to raise and have someboby 3 bet or have the initial raiser shove on me and i really dont like to flat here .....but i guess that is what i should of done just flat and set mine for a jack???????

Flat is bad. I think you either raise or fold p/f. I lean towards raise and call the shove. If he has QQ, KK, or AA, so be it.

too tight, especially since it's a rebuy tournament

lol @ that fold. u serious?

too tight. i would call. if you flop an over pair call his flop bet. if he bets turn then i would fold. if he checks turn i would bet. if he checks flop i would bet.

Sir you can't just fold this here. What do you put him on? Without any reads, do you fold this strong of starting hands everytime someone raises 4x+? I wouldn't setmine without any reads on your opponent unless you are sure that the implied odds are there that he's putting the rest of his stack in regardless. My advice, see a flop then reevaluate.

Pretty easy? You think 7x is qq+ here enough to "easily" fold? I don't know where you play but people love 7xing with jj10109988ak in ep to "protect" there hand and folding here is awful to the point where I thought this might be a joke. You flat in position and play a flop. 3betting is bad because you can't call a 4 bet so your turning jj into a bluff and 3bet calling is slighty better because he has ak sometimes but I still hate it. This is a pretty clear flat from here.

I shove pre and fire up another if i dont flop quads.

i would flat here. i dont like 3betting since i doubt he jams much worse. however folding is horrible. we have posistion on the raiser and we are deep enough to flat. also our flat puts alot in pre and could induce a squeeze behind which i would then shove over if the opener folds.

 

Originally Posted by The Baby Bull

Flat is bad. I think you either raise or fold p/f. I lean towards raise and call the shove. If he has QQ, KK, or AA, so be it.

this guy has been pocket fived, just because we have jacks doesnt mean we get it in 55bb's effective where guy is rarely 4-betting shoving worse. seriously we are allowed to fold sometimes. saying tht i flat here, mainly to set mine but also maybe raising/getting it in on safe flops because tht brings all his 77,88,99,1010 type hands into play whereas we may have lost these types of hands pre

I think I agree that I like a flat here and see the texture of the flop. No you aren't getting enough implied odds to make it profitable to set mine here, but with JJ you aren't only playing the hand for set value.

My only problem with flatting in a spot like this is when the flop comes 7 high and you face the inevitable bet that commits him to the pot. I mean I'm sure we would be getting it in there, but it's definitely a "way ahead or way behind" spot. Usually I like to try to keep the pot as small as possible in such spots, but there's no way to avoid playing for stacks there....I think.

yes. flat and re-evaluate on flop. You are calling 10% of your stack which, IMO is reasonable here. You have position on raiser, and can still wrangle this pot away from him even if a Q, K, or A shows up ( if he checks his TT, 99, for instance). If flop comes low and he fires, it's awkward but you gotta get involved obv., if flop is low and he checks- great : valuetown. There are alot of ways of winning this hand still, a fold is just too tight for me.