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  1. my11freakinGEEZ my11freakinGEEZ is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 1:23pm)

    Taken from an earlier post (regarding "sustaining an ROI%"):

    <TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>"A great $6/$11 player can probably sustain 30% or so.

    A great $22/$33 player can probably sustain 22% or so.

    A great $55 player can proabably sustain 18% or so.

    A great $109 player can probably sustain 12% or so.

    A great $215 player can probably sustain 6% or so."

    Found in that other forum'ls FAQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    - How long should a player "sustain" an ROI% at one of these corresponding levels before it is time to move up.

    Granted, the player must be comfortable with moving up due to higher stakes/swings/better overall players... but putting that aside (please go with me here) how many SnGs are enough to determine you can move up a level?

    I'm thinking that if I'm able to sustain a 30% ROI on stars $16turbos for over a sample size of 1000, and if I feel comfortable enough to do so, moving up to $ 27sis not such a bad idea.

    Thoughts/comments please. Thank you.
  2. Cabo Cabo is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 2:26pm) in reply to my11freakinGEEZ

    Go for it! It shouldn't take long for you to see if you still play well (win) at the higher level.

    Track your results closely and also be honest with yourself about whether or not you have tightened up too much at the higher level. I think this is a common problem. gl
  3. silverbacked silverbacked is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 5:35pm) in reply to Cabo

    And if you sustain 30% at the 16 turbos, for even 500 games, make sure you hand your numbers in to sharkscope because you would be the #1 rated player..... Current number one is "only" 28%
  4. jhill3535 jhill3535 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 6:54pm) in reply to my11freakinGEEZ

    If you had a 25% ROI over 1000 games of $16's you would profit $4000. That equates to almost 150 buyins at the $27 level not including your original starting Bankroll for $16's which should be about another $1000. That would give you a total of about 185 buyins at the $27 level.

    You would at that point have 90 buyins at the $55 level. 1000 games is too many at a level if you are looking to move up levels and not taking any money out of your bankroll.

    On another note:

    If you had those ROIs your profit per game would be

    $11 @ 30% = $3.30
    $22 @ 22% = $4.84
    $33 @ 22% = $7.26
    $55 @ 18% = $9.90
    $109 @ 12% = $13.08
    $215 @ 6% = $12.90

    If those number are accurate no one should be playing the $215's as there expectation would be less per game than the $109's.
     
  5. pokerisnice pokerisnice is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 8:08pm) in reply to my11freakinGEEZ

    Firstly let me say that ROI is of very little significance in sng play. Too many players worry way too much about their ROI. What matters is $/Hr. I would much rather be a guy 6 tabling the $16's with a 10% ROI than the guy with a 30% ROI playing one table at a time.

    Look at it like this, the average turbo sng takes 45 min. to complete. So a 30% ROI playing one at a time your hourly rate would be roughly $6.40.

    Now, 6 tabling with a 10% ROI you would be making roughly $9.60.

    You can begin to get a farily accurate idea if you are winning player or not at a certain level after around 1,000 sng's. However, please dont fool yourself into thinking that that # is anywhere near accurate. It could very easily be 4 or 5% off what your actual long-term expectation is.

    Hope this helped.
  6. jhill3535 jhill3535 is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 8:24pm) in reply to pokerisnice

    I agree, that $/hour is more important. But if you play the same number of tables at the next level as you did at the previous level, then there is no difference in $/hr and $/game as long as the games are not significantly longer such as the difference between reg and Turbo.

    Lets say you 6 table $16's with an ROI of 10% that is $1.60 per game. If each session takes 45 minutes and you play 4 hours you will play 30 SNGs for a total profit of $48 or $12/hr.

    If you play 6 tables of $27's with an ROI of 7.5%, that is 2.02 per game. If each session takes 45 minutes and you play 4 hours you will play 30 SNGs for a total profit of $60.60 or $15.15/hr.

    $/game is directly related to your ROI. $/hr is directly related to $/game as long as you are playing the same type sessions. Therefore if you are playing the same type sessions looking at ROI or $/hr are basically the same thing.
     
  7. pokerisnice pokerisnice is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2007 (1/9/2007 9:03pm) in reply to jhill3535

    Yes and no. If you are always playing the same amount of tables at a time then yes ROI & $/Hr are the same.

    HOwever many players are so focused on maintaining a higher ROI that they are actually throwing money away. F ROI. Add more tables!!!
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