Originally Posted by Popperhead

What did deeb end up saying on the subject?

Nothing....he's hollywooding

Obligatory FUCK YOU SOREL after reading that response. Just because you make a living off poker does not mean that you are entitled for your peers to reserve judgment. You were/are a very public figure and when your actions prove over and over again that you were/are a slimy business man, the business community is going to shun you. Keep making claims about your poker superiority and have a nice life.

exactly what daize just said. the POS is gonna be playing online poker if he really wants to and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do not even the number 1 player in the world.

and WONDERDOG commenting saying that this situation is like a robber robbing houses in your neighbor hood. the situation isn't even close to being the same. Its clearly over your head. MAing way easier to get away with then running from the cops. If i was a scumb bag POS i would much rather be running from stars/tilt support then running from the cops. situation just isn't on the same level.

when you see a robber come in your house u can actually physically do something to stop him (ie pull some jack bauer shit or chuck norris and don't let him do it again.
if his accounts do get shut down NO ONE will ever know who he is playing on whatever screen name for years to come. there is nothing you can do to set him up and get caught.

but like i said obi situation is way over ur head

noooooooooooooooo

 

Originally Posted by uga7211

deebs comment on 2+2:

Re: Alleged chatlog between Sorel and thorladen
Ok guys, there are many reasons I haven't posted yet. I've been busy playing live every single day for most of the hours. I've also been working on other projects I don't have the free time to write this up and give it the attention it deserves yet. It is important it will come out but also I was asked to send it first to some pr people invovled to make sure the information I am putting is factual. I'm sorry you guys are angry but a few days isn't a difference only one person on 2+2 I've told most of the story to and he also agrees it's very touchy subject and how I present it is important. I will let you know I won't be name dropping who I suspect is invovled because there isn't enough proof I won't even be naming the people who did get kicked out because that also isn't fair to them incase it was innocent mistakes. But, you all should be aware and will be very soon on this topic.

So if Shaun doesnt have enough proof, why bother coming out with anything until he does have proof? All this is going to accomplish is people speculating/gossiping and we are no better off in terms of knowing who is doing what with who.

 

Originally Posted by downbylaw11

I used to think that after all the jjprodigy and original mizzi ghosting scandals that multiaccounting on major poker sites was a thing of the past. and maybe it is other than some extreme circumstances. But every once in a while I encounter playing styles in mtts that can only be compared to a seasoned online solid/sicko player. and yeah, there are a lot of great mtters out there, but those guys all have thousands of games under their belt, whereas when i check the opr of some of these guys, I see they'ved played 10 to 20 tournaments and it has me wondering. I know the guy could just be a big noob and is doing the exact same thing i'd expect an experienced online player to do just by pure chance, or maybe he's a natural, or he's a good live player who just decided to open an account online. but at the same time, I dont know many live guys or recreational players who could jump into online and make the adjustment so quickly and make 'unexploitable' plays pre flop like some of these new accounts do

very good point.. we need legalization and regulation.. although taxation follows next.. it is still best if we feel secure and protected in our community even if that means giving away a % or two more for taxes..

 

Originally Posted by B_O_K_E

FYP

wow some1 has issues.. 10%? lol obv adding in your own bs.. get a life

 

Originally Posted by B_O_K_E

Sorel on other site:

I'm in Cyprus at the moment trying to enjoy the last day of my vacation.

The fact is, I really don't owe anyone a response, I was basically shunned out of the 2+2 community a long time ago and unlike others who have made huge efforts and hired PR to repair their damaged rep's I have just learned to accept it and not really care what people who don't know me think. I REALLY wish I cared more what you guys think, I really do. NOBODY in the history of online poker has had their reputation unfairly tainted more than I have. That's a fact.* I have had to accept that it's human nature to be jealous of ones success and it's only natural to try to bring them down to your level after they make one mistake. Well, I'm really sorry to all the members of this forum who are losing players and need*something or someone to blame. The truth is, your just not very good at poker.

I will address this matter for two reasons. One to clear the names of the people mentioned in the conversation and two, because there are actually people I know and respect who are curious about whether or not this conversation did in fact take place.

The conversation in question contains bits and pieces of information from several conversations I've had with Thorladen and others over the course of about a year.

It was quite a while ago, but if I had to guess I would say the conversations occurred from 2008 to 2009 while I was sponsored by betfair.

Late last year, I got a message from the extortionist threatening to release what he had fabricated if I didn't send him money online. I chose to completely ignore the threats.* Whoever gained access to my PC or MSN chat conversation history took bits and pieces of things I've spoke about through MSN and cleverly conjured the information he had with information he completely fabricated in an attempt to try and incriminate me if I didn't respond to his demands. I didn't think that much of it at the time since I thought if I ignored the threats and his attempt to extort me he would have no reason to post it. But now that he has,* I'm currently in the process of trying to find out who these people are and talking to my lawyer about suing them for libel and defamation of character.

As far as Chris and Adi go, they were my horses about 2 years ago and neither of them have ever been involved in any shady activity that I know of. They are both good guys and both very trustworthy/loyal, so much so that I allowed both of them to calculate their own makeup.

Re: Europe, Yes I was cheated out of a ton of money. The first time it happened was actually before the FTP incident occurred. Other than that it's really nobodies business I'm not here to satisfy anyone's curiosity. I made the people who needed to be aware of what happened aware and that's all I felt morally obliged to do. Unfortunately, every time I do the right thing by telling people who were thinking about playing the guy what happened, the story spreads and it get's into the hands of serial gossipers / storytellers like Shaun Deeb who post broken telephone interpretations on public forums.* That's his prerogative but one things for sure Shaun's far better at spreading 8th handed information then he ever will be at poker.** You guys want to know why people are out to get me ? Well I guess this is why. Because I say what's on my mind and I guess sometimes I offend players who the idiots on this forum worship like gods.

In your elaborate fantasies you want to believe that I'm traveling the world playing 10k+ buyin's and during my off-time I'm putting 6 accounts in $200 online tournaments. Get real!* I probably play online tournaments on average once every 2-3 weeks. The main reason I've almost completely stopped playing online was to get away from the exact bull**** I'm dealing with right now.

I strongly dislike coming on internet forums to read unfair, untrue, libelous BS judgements about my character. The only people who have the right to attack my character are the ones who know me well personally and I don't think anyone who's posted thus far does. I don't blame them. As soon as anyone posts anything to defend me they get verbally attacked and accused of "sticking up for a cheater".

On a side note I don't think its fair for 2p2 admins to have kept this thread up and thereby force me to make a response defending myself from an alleged msn conversation that could have easily been fabricated especially when the op has 0 proof. Imo I think that's very irrespnsible but I'm sure most of you would disagree. After all, it isn't your integrity being questioned its mine.

There are serious things that I'd like to address in a subsequent thread that I've been thinking about posting for a long time, I'm not sure whether or not I'll post it because I truly don't owe anyone here explanations about anything I do. But I'll give it some serious thought.

If you don't feel the need to explain yourself to "idiots" on the forums, why post this? Obviously you do care somewhat. What a tool.

 

Originally Posted by Gettin Daize

tru, get to the "bottom of it" Sorel will still play online poker unless he dies.

Ahhh.. I get what you're saying ;)

 

Originally Posted by uga7211

wow some1 has issues.. 10%? lol obv adding in your own bs.. get a life

Ill just assume you are clueless to what FYP means. It was a semi-joke, Im assuming most tax paying poker players pay 30-35% depending on outside income. If they regulate it, I would expect to be paying close to 40-45%.

Not to derail but there really is no reason for you to base this on. Has already been stated a ton of times that the sites would pay any tax the government put on it. Not trying to derail but I see people say this all the time and it is completely false. We need all the help we can get and people posting things like that, which aren't true, don't help.

Edit: In response to BOKE, forgot to quote the post.

BOKE you tax analysis couldn't be further off.....it has already been stated in the bill that HR 2267 will keep all current tax code's in regards to gambling....go read the 2p2 Poker Legislation forum if you wanna read Skallagram, Poker Xandu, or Rich Muni say it if you don't believe me, plenty of threads on it.

The only tax change is the % being charged to the liscenced sites on their incoming site deposits.

ApesAreFun, the comparison of the U.S. market and the French market are LOOOL @ best. They make up 10% if that of what our market accounts for, a smaller player pool clearly means higher rake, since we won't be in that situation its not applicable, in fact its the opposite. Due to free market competition within our country will more than likely lower the current rake rate and at worst case keep it the same. If that isn't enough FTP has already come out with statements saying they WILL NOT raise rake if HR 2267 is passed, stars put out a statement saying it was "highly unlikely" that they would need to raise rake as well. Guys just go to 2p2 Poker Legislation and read this info as it is easily accessible......and lets keep this thread on topic.

Just killing time waiting for shaundeebs post... here's for those who don't feel like reading the OP
(unfortunately xtranormal is having site probs and wouldn't let me render it in one long vid)

LOL Whytf are they on a tube train. This is toooo funny...

sorels set up .. a monitor for each account