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True, i knew that and just mistyped.
Originally Posted by 2catch2
Dwan did not call the flop, barry bet 10k and dwan raised to 37.3kOriginally Posted by paidchex
Dwaan's call of the flop bet was just "i'm running goot" bad.
And if that other comment was directed to me. Yes I think Dwaan overplayed top pair on the flop and decided on the turn to continue with the aggression believing Eastgate didn't want to get too involved. I think Dwaan played the flop terribly and played the turn moderately brilliant. And yes I would take over AJ's job...... Very brave of you to comment on the fact that I commented on a poker hand in poker discussion, in other words.... thats why we post. -
Already responded to this but want to add.....
Originally Posted by adam_mc
Ahhhh, so you think he was playing his QTcc for value this way and just got lucky they both folded because he overplayed top pair?
Fire AJ Benza, you and Gabe need to commentate. Scratch that, with you two educating the masses the games will dry up!
Don't try and patronize me. You aren't good enough, leave that up to Roothlus. Dwaan's raise on the flop was awful IMO and you haven't shown me enough class yet alone educational value to change said opinion. -
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scared money will never win
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Anyone who thinks Dwan didn't know what he was going to do on the turn when Eastgate flats his raise and Barry calls is an idiot.
He knew exactly where he was and what he was trying to accomplish.
Thus why Eastgate folded and he bet Doyle after the hand that Peter folded the best.
Personally, I could never think on that level for that much money. But Dwan imrpesses me more and more every time I watch. I don't care what anyone says, the kid's a sicko. -
If you think Dwan raised for value because he thought his pair of tens was good you need to quit poker and never analyze another poker hand in a public forum ever again please.
Originally Posted by paidchex
True, i knew that and just mistyped.
And if that other comment was directed to me. Yes I think Dwaan overplayed top pair on the flop and decided on the turn to continue with the aggression believing Eastgate didn't want to get too involved. I think Dwaan played the flop terribly and played the turn moderately brilliant. And yes I would take over AJ's job...... Very brave of you to comment on the fact that I commented on a poker hand in poker discussion, in other words.... thats why we post. -
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Dwan has balls, Big Balls....and didn't care about the money!
And seriously, c'mon people....to say durrrr didnt know where everyone was at in the hand is completely ridiculous. Dude is not just firing a bet out there to do it. He has a huge reasoning behind it. Dwan had both of there hands polarized...and he put the necessary pressure on his opponents, and they folded under it. This hand is so amazing because I really don't know if there is another player out there who could have done what Tom did here in this hand. I mean, these are some of the highest stakes in the world with some of the best players in Poker at the table, and Dwan pulls a rabbit out of his hat! After seeing this on TV, BG and PEastgate had to feel pretty sick while Dwan probably laughed hysterically, fell to the ground with white foam frothing from his mouth as he screamed in an unusually high pitched tone "I OWN...I OwN."
I know eastgate and barryG1 are on the nitty side, but to pose a question...Who are the high stakes, known players in this world who are going to call durrrr in this spot? -
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dwan knew thta barry had a big hand, he just raised to see if someone wakes up with a deuce, and forunately he and easgtae had that 76 A6 before, he knew peter would be play his hand conservatively.
Originally Posted by paidchex
True, i knew that and just mistyped.Originally Posted by 2catch2
Dwan did not call the flop, barry bet 10k and dwan raised to 37.3kOriginally Posted by paidchex
Dwaan's call of the flop bet was just "i'm running goot" bad.
And if that other comment was directed to me. Yes I think Dwaan overplayed top pair on the flop and decided on the turn to continue with the aggression believing Eastgate didn't want to get too involved. I think Dwaan played the flop terribly and played the turn moderately brilliant. And yes I would take over AJ's job...... Very brave of you to comment on the fact that I commented on a poker hand in poker discussion, in other words.... thats why we post. -
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looooooooooooooolOriginally Posted by paidchex
Already responded to this but want to add.....Originally Posted by adam_mc
Ahhhh, so you think he was playing his QTcc for value this way and just got lucky they both folded because he overplayed top pair?
Fire AJ Benza, you and Gabe need to commentate. Scratch that, with you two educating the masses the games will dry up!
Don't try and patronize me. You aren't good enough, leave that up to Roothlus. Dwaan's raise on the flop was awful IMO and you haven't shown me enough class yet alone educational value to change said opinion.
i'm sorry adam_mc isn't as well known as other people, but he definitely is good enough to patronize you. -
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Originally Posted by yyyyy
scared money will never win
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i honestly believe if BG is not in the hand ,
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Ivey shoves in over top of Dwan's 104K bet, guaranteed! Antonius, Farha, Hansen etc probly do as well.. But then again Dwan probly wouldn't make this play vs those players to begin with.Originally Posted by ImaBustYou
I know eastgate and barryG1 are on the nitty side, but to pose a question...Who are the high stakes, known players in this world who are going to call durrrr in this spot? -
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Its crazy how poker evolves, bg said that there is no way himself could have had quads or full boat, cause he would have never let out on the flop, even though its 8 way. And I think that is old school way of thinking, alot of people lead out now, just to play reverse psychology. Crazy hand though!! I cant make that call if im BG. But poker evolution is my favorite thing about poker.
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lol PDOriginally Posted by paidchex
Haven't posted in a while but here's my 2 cents (like you care).
I think the only player who played this right was Eastgate, unfortunately, Barry and Dwaan's mistakes casued him to fold the turn.
It should have been obvious that Barry had a big pair after he bet into 8 people on the flop. If he flopped a full house, betting out would be a mistake (small one) but BG should let one of the aggressive players behind him (namely Dwaan) do the betting.
Dwaan's raise of the flop bet was just "i'm running goot" bad. He can't beat anything BG would competently bet out with and to tell me that he was knowingly setting BG up for a bluff on a later street???? (i don't believe it)
Eastgate should smooth call (its Dwaan for christ sake)
Barry's overcall on the flop was another mistake. I think BG knows Eastgate is a competent player and i think he just didn't think about it enough.
I believe Dwaan, on the turn realized his flop mistake and instead of giving up on it after BG and PE checked, he wanted to man up (lol, its Dwaan) and continue the farce.
Eastgate, thinking both players are playing this hand mistake free just decides to not get over invested with the weak kicker and folds, understandable.
Barry realized that he shouldn't have called on the flop and this time over thinks the hand and folds.
*Note* i love Barry and think he plays an amazing game, same with Dwaan and Eastgate. Something about Tom Dwaan that irks me, like as though he was home schooled through college and is still a virgin.
and yes, durrrr is beyond a sicko, he is the best NLHE player in the world... been saying that for a while now -
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Too bad he's down 4m this year online :/
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I tried this same exact play in a 1/2 game at the Borgata... didn't work out so well for me though.
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Holy fuck! You could give me a 100 years and I never woulda thought that way. I'm a nl donkey and while I was watching it after Eastgate folded I thought to myslef Barry has to know his aces are good. Now that's easy to say when you can see all the cards but Barry looked like he was 80% sure it was good. It seems to me in a live ring game you have to play durr like Doyle played Eli witht hose kings. Hey ya got three dueces fuck it ya got me. Then again, thats why I play Stud8Originally Posted by SowersUNCC
Here's the super sick level of thinking barry explained to me afterwards that he didn't think through during the hand. He thought the only deuces in toms range were a2 sooted deuces. He said he should have saw his aces and see if they matched the flop suits. One did match, which would lessen Tom's deuce range to only the other a2 suit. Which would take one more hand he could possibly have and perhaps lead more to a call, as then there is a larger percentage Tom is bluffing. Pretty sick level of thinking.
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loooooooooooooooooolOriginally Posted by bdubz9180
I tried this same exact play in a 1/2 game at the Borgata... didn't work out so well for me though.
me and all my buddies said that same thing. 1-2 game you couldnt have gotten someone to fold two sixes there let alone aces. -
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hey, im glad you like him, and have had to chance to meet him. I can only judge him based on what i see on tv. and i think he comes off as an incredibly cocky jerk on pad and nbc heads up. I dont like his personality, what else can i say?Originally Posted by thorladen
I hate posting on this shit but ..... Dont like Dwan one bit? He is only one of the nicest most down to earth successful people ive had the pleasure of spending time with. He works his ass off to get as good as he can and basically always has a smile for everyone. soooooooo why?
Originally Posted by downbylaw11
barry is seasoned enough to know when AA got outflopped, though it doesnt seem like him to call on the flop and then to correct his mistake on the turn and fold. i have no idea how eastgate fold 2/4 here, or even plays it for that matter. this guy sounds like another jamie gold in the making playing nose bleed stakes after winning 10 mill or whatever it was. so eastgate really only loses to 10's or A2s? i mean, I know guys like to play interesting hands in cash games, and that durr is on a different level, but is he really on a high enough level to play call a raise with anything other than these 2 hands? and even A2s is borderline retarded. I don't think I could ever overthink myself enough to fold 4/2 on this board. its just way too unconnected and dwan is way too loose and creative to fold trips here. maybe away from the table he's a great guy like phil hellmuth, but on the felt he's annoying to look at and listen to.
edit, ok, its a good thing i watched the vid cause I didnt realize there were like 8 people in the pot. that defintely helps me make more sense of why eastgate was in the pot, and now I sort of thing Greenstein should have maybe gotten the money in after eastgate folded. is it really that believable that dwan is gonna flat barry's utg raise with 2x there with so many left to act? i mean, uggggggh. seeing this bothers me cause i don't like dwan one bit and the fact he gets away with something like this drives me nuts -
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If that is so i hate about 97% of everyone ive ever seen on tvOriginally Posted by downbylaw11
hey, im glad you like him, and have had to chance to meet him. I can only judge him based on what i see on tv. and i think he comes off as an incredibly cocky jerk on pad and nbc heads up. I dont like his personality, what else can i say? -
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This is EXACTLY why he made the play, because he knows THESE TWO GUYS will not call/raise him even though they have better hands. There's no way in hell he makes this play if Ivey, Patrik, Sammy, Gus, or Guy are in the hand. Maybe Eli, but it would depend on his stack size...
It's absolutely ridiculous how he knew this on the fly, and when coupled with his 100% belief his read was right (which it was, it was dead on) it led him to make this play.
I firmly believe that if he read this thread he'd laugh at us because it took us so long to figure this out... -
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thisss ^^^^^^^^^^^^^Originally Posted by MarkFSU1
easy to say when its not ur $500k real money u lose if ur wrong...Originally Posted by downbylaw11
I don't think I could ever overthink myself enough to fold 4/2 on this board. its just way too unconnected and dwan is way too loose and creative to fold trips here
So my question is why the hell are barry greenstein and peter eastgate even playing in this poker game if they can't risk what they bought in for? You would think eastgate having won 9mil could risk his buyin on a strong as hell hand. I mean what the hell is he waiting for....to flop a straight? He would probably fold that too when dwan raises a flush draw. Eastgate has no respect in my book.Originally Posted by R_U_Nuts
loooooooooooooooooolOriginally Posted by bdubz9180
I tried this same exact play in a 1/2 game at the Borgata... didn't work out so well for me though.
me and all my buddies said that same thing. 1-2 game you couldnt have gotten someone to fold two sixes there let alone aces. -
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This is a very MTT oriented way to look at the hand...
To be honest, I think Barry knew his AA was no good the minute Eastgate called, which makes it even weirder that he called. Furthermore, Eastgate knows that durrrr can easily show up with a suited deuce there, ALL of which beat his.
Easy to say that you think people should risk a bajillion bb's (where the bb is a ridiculous $800 anyway) when you can only beat a bluff, and you have to guess whether the laggyest player at the table (and maybe in all of high stakes poker) has a 2 in his hand in an 8 way pot... -
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Really dont see how Eastgate folded in that spot, but once he did fold I dont see how Barry doesnt put the $200k he had left in there after Eastgate smoothed the $37k raise on the flop. If Barry is calling the $37k - which he said he KNEW Eastgate had a deuce, how does he fold the turn bet after Eastgate folds? I know its alot of damn $$, but you know that Durrr doesnt have TT there cuz he's not flatting 2500 pre in the 2 slot with 6 behind with TT. I realize the arguement that Durrr has A2 in his range, but it's not likely due to Eastgate basically playing his 24os hand face up after the flop flat call, and the way he folded it said, "Fuck, I have a 2 but shit for a kicker and $500k behind which I am gonna have to call at least 225-250k from Durrr on the river so let me put my stack in lockdown and only lose 40k this hand."
I can't fathom the pressure of making $100k+ decisions in that situation, but the way it played out and the style of play with Durrr who had showed down a few hands earlier the flop nut straight where he checked flop and turn only to C/R $50k on the river against Ziigmund and get called to give the table info on how he played a monster hand or the J7 spades 3 bet he had to show down vs. Eli, etc. I know there were a shitload of hands we didnt see which play into the image and flow of the game, but I think most P5'ers who occasionally rail Durrr on FTP would be about 95% to call with Eastgate's hand there and 75% shoving the turn with Barry's hand after Eastgate's fold.
I dont know... I suck at Deh Pokuh, but this was a huh? wtf just happed there moment for me. -
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On his "Tips from the Bear" segment Barry said that Eastgate folded unusually quickly after Dwan's turn bet. I think Barry switched his mindset right there and felt more and more that Dwan had the 2 and not Eastgate. Furthermore, he thought Dwan believed Eastgate to have a raggy deuce and was trying to get max value from his A2. The fact that Eastgate folded so quickly made it appear even more likely that it WAS Dwan who held the monster in the hand. Obviously Eastgate decided on the flop that he was folding to any major heat on the turn no matter what. I give credit to Barry taking the hand step by step and trying to figure it out.
I also thought it was interesting that Barry would say there is no way he would play 10 10 like that on the flop, saying that he would definitely check. I think that is more reason for Barry's regret in the hand because it would be reasonable to think that both Eastgate and Barry played their hand's face up. And it would make more sense that Dwan believed he could pull that kind of move off. It's just gonna be tough for anyone, even Barry, to put 200K more in there with one pair. -
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Barry's bet/call on the flop could be argued, but other than that I don't mind his plays. His insight on Dwan's A2s theory was sick. Makes total sense and shows how much above the rim he is thinking. Eastgate(who is by far the worst player at the table and has to be playing well over his bankroll) insta-mucked on the turn which lead Barry to believe he did not cold call that huge r/r from Dwan with a duece. Dwan is never playin 10s like this. Dwan either was barrelling the field on two streets with air or had the 2. Dwan played this really sick. Def has biggest edge on the table. Very impressive.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRgwMMn2bCg
Obv durr would have never done this vs. sammy or patrik. The differences in these two hands is what makes hsp such a great show. I know durr plays tons with patrik online but I think it would be pretty sick throwing sammy in the mix with durr, patrik, and gus. Oh yea lol at them when they start talking about what each other is holding. Eastagte folds trips and sammy wouldnt even have dreamed of throwing away the flush draw with two overs, haha. -
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Man, can you imagine if BG set the hand up to let Durr push Eastgate out of the hand, knowing that he couldn't because he is repping AA or KK, then pushes all in on Durr. Now that would have been complete sickness.
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