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Top set in WCOOP11 can i ever fold?

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  1. Casado Casado is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 8:58pm)

    villian has been pretty active, is this an easy 4bet/shove? or would you ever fold without the Kc
    pokerstars Game #32536169370: Tournament #200909011, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2009/09/06 20:43:18 ET
    Table '200909011 415' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: casado85 (24793 in chips)
    Seat 2: TeamWispy (10716 in chips)
    Seat 3: mikep1322 (9454 in chips)
    Seat 4: FunkiMunki (13337 in chips)
    Seat 5: SuperOstrich (12231 in chips)
    Seat 6: DEZCHIS777 (8568 in chips)
    Seat 7: JaspudUF (22607 in chips)
    Seat 8: spwipp (6084 in chips)
    Seat 9: jigga_wigga1 (8790 in chips)
    casado85: posts the ante 25
    TeamWispy: posts the ante 25
    mikep1322: posts the ante 25
    FunkiMunki: posts the ante 25
    SuperOstrich: posts the ante 25
    DEZCHIS777: posts the ante 25
    JaspudUF: posts the ante 25
    spwipp: posts the ante 25
    jigga_wigga1: posts the ante 25
    FunkiMunki: posts small blind 100
    SuperOstrich: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to casado85 [Ks Kd]
    DEZCHIS777: folds
    JaspudUF: folds
    spwipp: folds
    jigga_wigga1: folds
    casado85: raises 300 to 500
    TeamWispy: folds
    mikep1322: folds
    FunkiMunki: calls 400
    SuperOstrich: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Jc Kc]
    FunkiMunki: checks
    casado85: bets 1200
    FunkiMunki: raises 2300 to 3500
    casado85: ??
     
  2. anticure anticure is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:00pm) in reply to Casado

    please dont fold
     
  3. byoonz byoonz is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:01pm) in reply to Casado

    Hard to have the Kc when it's on the board...

    easy 3bet jam. hope for QQ, JJ, QJ, etc and get there against the made flush/straight.
     
  4. Burying_Luck Burying_Luck is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:02pm) in reply to byoonz

    never ever would i ever!
  5. Schukie Schukie is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:02pm) in reply to anticure

    Thats a sick spot against a good player, but very tough to fold...
     
  6. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:16pm) in reply to Schukie

    wow come on now, never fold this

    even if you get coolered here you have over 10k left at 100/200 in a very good structured tourney
  7. Casado Casado is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:20pm) in reply to byoonz

     
    Originally Posted by byoonz View Post

    Hard to have the Kc when it's on the board...

    easy 3bet jam. hope for QQ, JJ, QJ, etc and get there against the made flush/straight.

    LOL ur right, ment a flushdraw, kinda impossible on the Flop i know, thx
     
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  8. DBo Fo Sho DBo Fo Sho is offline Taking advantage of Official Threads

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:21pm) in reply to Faaantastic

    You cant fold here, sure your gonna get it in and hes prolly gonna have some live outs but thats just part of the game
  9. ragdoll125 ragdoll125 is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:30pm) in reply to DBo Fo Sho

    i think you can fold this especially against funkimunki cause i dont think hes gonna play a hand like that so slow without the nuts.
  10. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:31pm) in reply to Casado

    You arent folding this ever without specific reads.

    assuming he never has complete air - JJ, QQ, KQ, KJ, QJ, Ac X are all hands that could be in his range, obviously some weighted more than others.

    If he does have a straight or flush, you still have decent equity against those hands on a redraw.
     
  11. landermatt landermatt is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 11:13pm) in reply to qjuice14

    IF you fold, you should quit
  12. armymedik1 armymedik1 is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 4:33am) in reply to Casado

    DUDE never ever ever fold here.....EVER even if you did lose, youd still have 10k
  13. jcpeace jcpeace is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 4:36am) in reply to Casado

    LOL at even thinking of folding top set under any circumstances.
  14. thefuture021 thefuture021 is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 4:42am) in reply to Casado

    If you fold pre you take yourself out of potential difficult situations such as these.
  15. Voland Voland is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 9:03am) in reply to thefuture021

     
    Originally Posted by thefuture021 View Post

    If you fold pre you take yourself out of potential difficult situations such as these.

    Hehehehe.
  16. saatchi saatchi is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 12:02pm) in reply to Voland

    fold preflop > fold this flop
  17. Casado Casado is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 12:54pm) in reply to saatchi

    Thx for responses, I did not fold but pushed he snapcalled with A10 with Ac, so he flopped a straight and flushdraw, sick cooler flop. few hands later I get KK again, vs same player allin preflop for 24k pot vs his AK, he hits an A.

    Great tourney btw, best structure i have played in long time.
    thx again for responses
     
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  18. EyeGougerMan EyeGougerMan is offline

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    Sep 8th, 2009 (9/8/2009 1:00pm) in reply to Casado

    call and hope he hits his royal after you quad up.
    Call even if you're behind you have 8 outs 30ish percent to win, barring the straight flush
     
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