Hey I dont post here much but I wanted some thoughts on this hand... some background info ~100 left (63 pay) in the Sunday afternoon $50c... we are 3rd and 4th in chips before the hand, he just got moved the the table and I have no notes, but I know he is a good reg... after some thought, I think I may be better off check-calling the flop, but im more concerned with how to play the hand at this point

Full Tilt Poker Game #19254262301: $22,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (146425249), Table 27 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:13:40 ET - 2010/03/14
Seat 1: the_nutshot2 (56,603)
Seat 2: bukithepro (34,665)
Seat 3: EaglesFlyAboveU (17,592)
Seat 4: Illini213 (14,446)
Seat 5: slig34 (20,660)
Seat 6: flashdisastr (11,932)
Seat 7: CrystalBalla (53,446)
Seat 8: StuMan123 (51,696)
the_nutshot2 antes 100
bukithepro antes 100
EaglesFlyAboveU antes 100
Illini213 antes 100
slig34 antes 100
flashdisastr antes 100
CrystalBalla antes 100
StuMan123 antes 100
the_nutshot2 posts the small blind of 400
bukithepro posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrystalBalla [Ac Qd]
EaglesFlyAboveU folds
Illini213 has 15 seconds left to act
Illini213 folds
slig34 folds
flashdisastr folds
CrystalBalla has 15 seconds left to act
CrystalBalla raises to 1,750
StuMan123 has 15 seconds left to act
StuMan123 calls 1,750
the_nutshot2 folds
bukithepro folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 5c 7s]
CrystalBalla has 15 seconds left to act
CrystalBalla bets 2,860
StuMan123 has 15 seconds left to act
StuMan123 raises to 8,420
CrystalBalla has 15 seconds left to act
EaglesFlyAboveU has been disconnected
CrystalBalla has requested TIME

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thanks in advance for your responses, I will post results/my thoughts later

I would call his raise and see what he does on the turn

I think your line is great if you're hoping to induce a bluff-raise. With stack sizes I think you're a little deep to shove over it though, so I would probably c/r somewhat small (would c/r bluff this flop a lot too) and get it in instead.

for someone that "sucks" at poker....you have some nice scores!

Be grateful

Playing out of posistion sucks the bag.. I cant see just folding at this point. You have top pair top kicker. He doesnt always have to have a hand to beat you in order to position raise your flop bet. Id say put some pressure back on him. Re-Raise to like 17.5K. Then reevaluate.. Not sure what your going to do if you just call his raise on the turn.

Tough spot. He probably ended up with KK or AA right?

Really tough spot the more I think about it. Honestly I want to say it's a fold at this point but man it's so close. I mean he can never have total air here I don't think, what is he flatting with pre that is air here if you are perceived as somewhat of a random to him? Would he raise JJ on that flop? I think it has to be KK or AA.

Edit: you are way deeper than I initially thought, and clearly he could be flatting pre way wider than I initially thought. Gonna think some more about it.

 

Originally Posted by herbstreet24

Given that u seem to be indicating that u got screwed on this hand in hindsight it was prob a fold. But, I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that and analyze the hand as if it was happening right now. First off, he flatted ur small raise on the button pre. IMO given ur stack sizes he can do this with a very wide range. He knows u both have big stacks and u are going to be wary to play a big pot with him oop. When u c-bet the flop, he can also be raising with a very wide range as well. Because of the dynamics of the situation in his mind u are going to have to be huge to call him down not just on the flop, but the inevitable bets on the remaining streets as well.

I'm checking this flop w/ this hand for a few reasons. The main one is pot control, u flopped well, but still no reason to play a huge pot at this point as u will likely be up against hands that have u crushed. U flopped a good hand oop against a good opponent w/ a similar big stack. So I would c/c the flop (assuming he bets) and then see what peels on the turn and re-evaluate. If u bet/fold that flop w/ that hand then I think it is a big mistake in the long run. If a position raise gets u to fold that hand then u are likely going to get run over.

And fwiw I don't think u suck, I have been on a bad run and am starting to think I suck. Something tells me that we are both better than we give ourselves credit for.

I like this... Although my donkey ass prolly would went busto. Best case he bets 10 10 or jj on flop then when you check call he value bets it thinkin hes good and you get a nice pot with less risk of busto.

Can you post the results please.

What can the villian be raising with on this flop, two pair a made set?

As the villian I would raise you with the nut flush draw, knowing I have position and if you call I getting a free card on the turn as you will check the turn 9 out of 10 times.

As the hero the obvious play is call and see what happens on the turn. If he leads you can no get rid of the flush draw and two pairs and sets become a more obvious hand range. Heck he could outplaying you with QJ however if he does lead fold and move on.

If it does get to showdown prey the third spade doesnt land

Dude, I dont play tournies so ill keep it short BUT...

His button, your min-raise - im assuming hes capable of calling v wide

Aside from the arguments above for c-c flop;Your bet can easily look like a c-bet on flop so he could well be raising with air, or a FD.

A set might raise to build a pot as your so deep, and with 2 spades out mb, but i still call and probably lead the turn to know for sure!! Spewtard ftw

Im not folding with a drawy board here. I think hes easily raising with KQ JQ AQ and draws, so I ship and get shown a set

he's not likely raising light here on a draw heavy board against another big stack. If you had a stack with half his chips then I would ship it in and usually be ahead. His raise here is usually an overpr or set.