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Tough AK spot deep in mtt

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  1. pokerskunk pokerskunk is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 2:43pm)

    OK, so I've been in this exact situation 3 times in just over a week, and it's had me stumped every time

    The first time: I have AK in middle position, sat on 80k stack with 1k/2k blinds, I make it 6k. The button moves allin for 30k, and then the BB thinks for a second and pushes allin for just over 70k.. I go into the tank, eventually fold because BB had only played 1 pot allin previously and it was with KK
    Result: I fold. Button turns over AQ, BB turns over JJ, K hits the flop and I would've taken down a big pot

    Second time: Almost identical situation. I have 60k with 500/1k blinds, I make it 3k to go. Cutoff moves allin for 20k, SB thinks for a second and moves allin for 40k. I would have 20k left if I call and lose
    Result: I call. CO shows JJ, SB shows AA.

    Today:
    Table '67348629 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Medium_7 (17271 in chips)
    Seat 2: wonderfullll (78977 in chips)
    Seat 3: ChrisChamp23 (25016 in chips)
    Seat 4: zackelwahn (40863 in chips)
    Seat 5: zar300 (31594 in chips)
    Seat 6: wittereus37 (71511 in chips)
    Seat 7: MatiasPerez (36169 in chips)
    Seat 8: flopjunkie19 (87802 in chips)
    Seat 9: munny18 (41548 in chips)
    Medium_7: posts the ante 150
    wonderfullll: posts the ante 150
    ChrisChamp23: posts the ante 150
    zackelwahn: posts the ante 150
    zar300: posts the ante 150
    wittereus37: posts the ante 150
    MatiasPerez: posts the ante 150
    flopjunkie19: posts the ante 150
    munny18: posts the ante 150
    ChrisChamp23: posts small blind 800
    zackelwahn: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to flopjunkie19 [Ad Kd]
    zar300: folds
    wittereus37: folds
    MatiasPerez: folds
    flopjunkie19: raises 1600 to 3200
    munny18: folds
    Medium_7: raises 13921 to 17121 and is all-in
    wonderfullll: folds
    ChrisChamp23: folds
    zackelwahn: raises 23592 to 40713 and is all-in
    flopjunkie19: ???

    What is the play here? I was instacalling the first allin, because the guy's recently dropped a big stack over the course of the past 15mins and has a wide range, but the second allin I'm v worried about, as this guy hasnt been particularly active up until this point

    Any thoughts on when/when not to go with AK?
  2. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 2:49pm) in reply to pokerskunk

    I would say that zackelwahn should have JJ+/AK here at a minimum, QQ+ more likely. I think this is a fair spot to fold AK, especially since you have a huge stack and are gonna find lots of opportunities to put pressure on people playing small pots and chipping up.

    Why did you just minraise when you opened though? I think you should make it at least 4k or 4.5k when you raise at this level.
  3. bluefin bluefin is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 2:51pm) in reply to pokerskunk

    Your raise followed by another raise followed by another raise means I'm getting out with AK. But say it's just the initial raiser after you is in. Do you call, fold, or all-in? In this case, I'm probably just calling.
  4. WV_Square WV_Square is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 2:51pm) in reply to pokerskunk

    I'd fold in these situations, and I tend to overplay AK in MTT's.... Against 2 players all-in, and having a deep stack, easy fold imo. Even if neither have AA or KK, your not going to win "majority" of the time.

    Square
  5. louiemdj louiemdj is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 2:55pm) in reply to pokerskunk

    Folding AK is the right thing to do in all three of these situations. Risking your whole stack with AK after you have been raised and re-raised is almost always -EV.
  6. jl131 jl131 is offline

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    Nov 19th, 2007 (11/19/2007 3:48pm) in reply to louiemdj

    i used to get married to AK preflop all the time in these situations, and rarely come out alive. then i started looking differently at what AK actually is - instead of saying to myself I have AK, I would say to myself I have Ace-high. suddenly it became a LOT easier to get away from.
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