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Tough final table spot. What would you have done?

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  1. bigchar99 bigchar99 is offline

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    May 20th, 2009 (5/20/2009 10:31pm)

    Final table of the $20 rebuy on full tilt. 11k guaranteed. 7 players left. i have 28k on the button. Chip leader limps under the gun and it is folded to me. blinds are 2k/4k. i have King Queen offsuit. What is the correct play? Without thinking i shoved. I was sitting next to my dad and he stated that he would have just limped. I shoved and got called by chip leader with 77 and they held. i busted in 7th. at the time, i was low stack by about 30k. Can i fold knowing the chip leader is insta calling any hand he has? Or limp and hope for a k or q and take down a small pot? please elaborate?
  2. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    May 20th, 2009 (5/20/2009 11:08pm) in reply to bigchar99

    Limping is out of the question....shove or fold.
  3. bigchar99 bigchar99 is offline

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    May 20th, 2009 (5/20/2009 11:13pm) in reply to Diggs

    thanks diggs...i didnt even think about it and just pushed. afterwards i tried to justify limping and couldnt justify it.
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  4. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 1:40am) in reply to bigchar99

    Pretty standard shove. UTG would have to have a range of like KK/AA/AK for this to ever be a fold. You are too short. I probably shove like a 16 bb stack too, more then twice what u got.
     
  5. bigchar99 bigchar99 is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 3:02am) in reply to rivverkiller

    that makes a lot of sense. I was positive he wasnt pulling the brunson limp UTG with the nuts. if i just limp i price the small in and might force a squeeze and get the action i want from a weaker hand. I had no regrets when i lost just curious if i could have played it differently.
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  6. finewhine finewhine is offline

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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 8:58am) in reply to bigchar99

    Your Dad is dead wrong. Show him this thread. And I don't see how you can fold or limp. As it turned out it was a classic coin flip and you were just ul. Congrats on making the final table.
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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 2:19pm) in reply to finewhine

    This is a shove 100% of the time. No question.

    Send your dad to my home game plz.
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    May 21st, 2009 (5/21/2009 4:29pm) in reply to Rev.K

    i usually fold here
     
  9. MainEventOrBust MainEventOrBust is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 12:17am) in reply to bigchar99

    If you don't shove, you are going to be forced to call a shove or fold. How do you like your KQ then?

    Always better to give your opponent a tough decision, than let him force you into one.

    PS...congrats on the good evening for you with the $28,000 Guarantee final table too.
  10. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 2:42am) in reply to bigchar99

    With an M of under 4, limping isn't an option for you at all, whatever you hold. Either dump KQ offsuit (not a hand you want to play multi-way) or push it all in there, but don't call off 15% of your stack.

    If the limper has such a wide calling range, I'm perfectly happy to shove KQ down his throat when I think I can get it heads-up, and look at all five cards for free as I gamble a bit, in order to build my stack to go after the real money. Who the hell cares about seventh? This ain't the Sunday Million or WSOP!
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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 3:22am) in reply to bigchar99

    u can fold here to a utg limper, i probably shove a late position limp and reship a late pos raise. u def do not have enough chips here to limp and i dont think limping hjere is ever really a good play
     
  12. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 6:11am) in reply to asujake

     
    Originally Posted by asujake View Post

    i usually fold here

    With 8 bb's I'm pretty stoked to get KQ in here. Probably a leak to be folding here...just sayin.
     
  13. asujake asujake is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 4:53pm) in reply to rivverkiller

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

     
    Originally Posted by asujake View Post

    i usually fold here

    With 8 bb's I'm pretty stoked to get KQ in here. Probably a leak to be folding here...just sayin.

    LOL at leak, tight is right.
     
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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 5:01pm) in reply to asujake

    I'd be shoving here most of the time. I'm looking for any kind of decent or marginal hand to get it in with. Good shove imo.
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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 7:57pm) in reply to asujake

     
    Originally Posted by asujake View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

     
    Originally Posted by asujake View Post


    i usually fold here

    With 8 bb's I'm pretty stoked to get KQ in here. Probably a leak to be folding here...just sayin.

    LOL at leak, tight is right.

    Limper is gonna have all sorts of sooted connectors, pp's, ace x hands and donk hands like that and when we are called we are like never dominated and he is gonna fold a % of the time and we just add a bunch of chips to our stack. I'm not saying this is a definate shove but I'm pretty sure it is...
     
  16. bigchar99 bigchar99 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 3:19am) in reply to bigchar99

    Thanks for the thoughts guys....i was already pretty sure that i had to fold or shove but thanks again.

    p.s. My dad was furious when i showed him this thread haha but in his defense he doesnt play anything but $6 heads up games
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