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  1. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 1:43am)

    Thoughts here? Cairns = muckducks on ftp btw

    pokerstars Game #49480310656: Tournament #2010090019, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (27500/55000) - 2010/09/11 18:33:51 CT [2010/09/11 19:33:51 ET]
    Table '2010090019 862' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: DigitalDIN (826768 in chips)
    Seat 2: therealhound (691565 in chips)
    Seat 3: vucciria (908656 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mr.Raael (1893185 in chips)
    Seat 5: Buzibär (1503965 in chips)
    Seat 6: nickj7777 (1278720 in chips)
    Seat 7: Cairns1987 (2358201 in chips)
    Seat 8: DSchec (4317108 in chips)
    Seat 9: pierreguay (1006618 in chips)
    DigitalDIN: posts the ante 5500
    therealhound: posts the ante 5500
    vucciria: posts the ante 5500
    Mr.Raael: posts the ante 5500
    Buzibär: posts the ante 5500
    nickj7777: posts the ante 5500
    Cairns1987: posts the ante 5500
    DSchec: posts the ante 5500
    pierreguay: posts the ante 5500
    pierreguay: posts small blind 27500
    DigitalDIN: posts big blind 55000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DSchec [Jc Js]
    therealhound: folds
    vucciria: raises 848156 to 903156 and is all-in
    Mr.Raael: folds
    Buzibär: folds
    nickj7777: folds
    Cairns1987: calls 903156
    DSchec: ??????????????
     
  2. TeddyKGB109 TeddyKGB109 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 1:52am) in reply to dmschec

    fold without much thought
     
  3. flmodesq21 flmodesq21 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 1:59am) in reply to TeddyKGB109

    EZ fold but then feel bad when JJ holds/sucks out...etc
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  4. Superleggera Superleggera is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 2:01am) in reply to flmodesq21

    I'd fold, but pretty sure QQ is a call in this spot, right?
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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 8:30am) in reply to Superleggera

    my chips are definitely going in the middle... all of them
     
  6. JBT449 JBT449 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 8:37am) in reply to PiKappRaider

    You beak too much in the chatbox... poor man's improved.
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  7. Spaceh0g Spaceh0g is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:20am) in reply to Superleggera

     
    Originally Posted by Superleggera View Post

    I'd fold, but pretty sure QQ is a call in this spot, right?

    bleh idk, QQ almost = JJ here imo. i think virtually everyone reships AK and AQ in this spot, and i don't think he's flatting half his stack w/out KK+. who knows w/ games today though..

    I think its a fold though
  8. Spissos Spissos is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 11:05am) in reply to Spaceh0g

    JJ+ looks fine 2 me.
    SB and BB have 900k-1000kk and...meh..obv ne never folds against a reship (lol) so i think his calling range=Reshoving range
  9. ukaliks ukaliks is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 12:53pm) in reply to Spissos

    Tricky spot. Lots of people will say fold then some say ez call.
    For me it would b a sigh then fold. JJ multi-way can be quite dangerous.....
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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 2:26pm) in reply to ukaliks

    what do you really care, you ended up winning it LOL....sick hidden brag post imo
     
  11. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 4:34pm) in reply to PiKappRaider

    muckducks prolly has like A6s


     
    Originally Posted by JBT449 View Post

    You beak too much in the chatbox... poor man's improved.



    oh and this needed more love
    Edited By: Gags30 Sep 12th, 2010 at 04:34 PM
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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 6:03pm) in reply to Gags30

    i can't imagine folding this...

    results plz
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  13. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 6:27pm) in reply to apology7

    pokerstars Game #49480310656: Tournament #2010090019, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (27500/55000) - 2010/09/11 18:33:51 CT [2010/09/11 19:33:51 ET]
    Table '2010090019 862' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: DigitalDIN (826768 in chips)
    Seat 2: therealhound (691565 in chips)
    Seat 3: vucciria (908656 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mr.Raael (1893185 in chips)
    Seat 5: Buzibär (1503965 in chips)
    Seat 6: nickj7777 (1278720 in chips)
    Seat 7: Cairns1987 (2358201 in chips)
    Seat 8: DSchec (4317108 in chips)
    Seat 9: pierreguay (1006618 in chips)
    DigitalDIN: posts the ante 5500
    therealhound: posts the ante 5500
    vucciria: posts the ante 5500
    Mr.Raael: posts the ante 5500
    Buzibär: posts the ante 5500
    nickj7777: posts the ante 5500
    Cairns1987: posts the ante 5500
    DSchec: posts the ante 5500
    pierreguay: posts the ante 5500
    pierreguay: posts small blind 27500
    DigitalDIN: posts big blind 55000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to DSchec [Jc Js]
    therealhound: folds
    vucciria: raises 848156 to 903156 and is all-in
    Mr.Raael: folds
    Buzibär: folds
    nickj7777: folds
    Cairns1987: calls 903156
    DSchec: folds
    pierreguay: folds
    DigitalDIN: folds
    *** FLOP *** [As Jh Kd]
    *** TURN *** [As Jh Kd] [8h]
    *** RIVER *** [As Jh Kd 8h] [Td]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    vucciria: shows [9s 9c] (a pair of Nines)
    Cairns1987: shows [Ac Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
    Cairns1987 collected 1938312 from pot
    vucciria finished the tournament in 18th place and received $3000.00.
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1938312 | Rake 0
    Board [As Jh Kd 8h Td]
    Seat 1: DigitalDIN (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: therealhound folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: vucciria showed [9s 9c] and lost with a pair of Nines
    Seat 4: Mr.Raael folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Buzibär folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: nickj7777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Cairns1987 showed [Ac Ah] and won (1938312) with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 8: DSchec (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: pierreguay (small blind) folded before Flop
    Edited By: dmschec Sep 12th, 2010 at 06:27 PM
     
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  14. racer racer is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 7:02pm) in reply to dmschec

    so if Cairns is on your left instead of your right, it could be trouble for you....but it appears this fold saved you lots of chippies
    gg congratz
  15. donkthorne04 donkthorne04 is offline Disabled account

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 7:48pm) in reply to racer

    i like how you removed the part where you said this:

    DSchec said, "folded JJ"
    DSchec said, "i am god"

    nf though
    Edited By: donkthorne04 Sep 12th, 2010 at 07:49 PM
  16. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 8:06pm) in reply to donkthorne04

    lol brags itt
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  17. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 8:18pm) in reply to doubledave22

    I guess this fold worked out for u...
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  18. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 8:21pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

    Sick postaments.
  19. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:02pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    I made this post right after the hand went down, before I was even at the final table. I genuinely thought it was an interesting spot. I think it's tougher if Cairns shoves bc that widens his range. I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation
     
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  20. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:09pm) in reply to dmschec

    It's a tougher decision if Cairns shoves?!
  21. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:11pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    yes because his iso shove range is wider than his cold flat range imo. Do you not agree?
     
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  22. taaffey taaffey is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:17pm) in reply to dmschec

    not a very thinly veiled brag itt
     
  23. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:21pm) in reply to dmschec

     
    Originally Posted by dmschec View Post

    yes because his iso shove range is wider than his cold flat range imo. Do you not agree?

    Lemme get this str8...ur wanting to shove when he flats but maybe fold when he shoves? I agree with your above statement yes, but not the "it becomes tougher decision" If anything it becomes high five snap shove.
  24. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2010 (9/12/2010 9:31pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    Bef we are agreeing. I'm saying it becomes a tougher decision because his range of hands is worse. We are in agreement that if he shoves I am more likely to be good than when he flats.
     
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  25. cairns1987 cairns1987 is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2010 (9/28/2010 8:05am) in reply to dmschec

    haha im never gunna let you clowns know what I'm up to because 90% of the time I have no idea myself :) gg dmshec
     
  26. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2010 (9/28/2010 4:10pm) in reply to cairns1987

    If I'm playing a man whom I think can play and he flats 40% of his stack over an ai by someone with 17 bb when he should be shipping it in there, the little alarm bells go off in my head.

    Some weeks ago, I was playing a $3 1r1a with JJ on the button in bubble time. It was passed to the cutoff, who min-raised with 12 bb. This player was what one would call supernitty-don't believe he'd even played a hand in 45 minutes. If the raise had come from anyone else at table, I'd have snap turbo-shoved my 18 bb and high-fived my monitor into next month, but I mucked, one of the blinds set him in and was shown AA.
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