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Tough hand from FTOPS ME

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  1. Mattutaylor Mattutaylor is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 7:04am)

    Already posted this on PXF but after seeing Ship's similar situation, I thought I would post in here...

    As far as reads go, I know the guy is quite loose to a raise regardless of position. He's looking to get involved in pots so theres a good chance he has a hand like J10 or 89 suited.

    Heres the hand anyway

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3303422013: FTOPS Main Event (22695133), Table 365 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:16:15 ET - 2007/08/19
    Seat 1: Mattutaylor (10,960)
    Seat 2: bascomeb (7,560)
    Seat 3: EricaSchoenberg (3,157)
    Seat 4: PhilTMcNasty (2,820)
    Seat 5: nomoballer (5,903)
    Seat 6: bigstack001 (4,815)
    Seat 7: tommasera (725)
    Seat 8: Mr37 (8,780)
    Seat 9: Cephus Lives (4,280)
    EricaSchoenberg posts the small blind of 40
    PhilTMcNasty posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mattutaylor [Ks Kh]
    nomoballer folds
    bigstack001 folds
    tommasera folds
    Mr37 calls 80
    Cephus Lives folds
    Mattutaylor raises to 260
    bascomeb folds
    EricaSchoenberg folds
    PhilTMcNasty folds
    Mr37 calls 180
    *** FLOP *** [Ts Jd 7d]
    Mr37 checks
    Mattutaylor bets 350
    Mr37 has 15 seconds left to act
    Mr37 raises to 1,280
    Mattutaylor raises to 2,455
    Mr37 raises to 8,520, and is all in
    Mattutaylor has 15 seconds left to act
    Mattutaylor has requested TIME
    Mattutaylor: <--- has notes lol
    Mattutaylor: im folding kings
    Mattutaylor folds
    Uncalled bet of 6,065 returned to Mr37
    Mr37 mucks
    Mr37 wins the pot (5,550)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5,550 | Rake 0
    Board: [Ts Jd 7d]
    Seat 1: Mattutaylor folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: bascomeb (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: EricaSchoenberg (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: PhilTMcNasty (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: nomoballer didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: bigstack001 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: tommasera didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Mr37 collected (5,550), mucked
    Seat 9: Cephus Lives didn't bet (folded)
     
  2. elusively elusively is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 7:30am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    what are you beating? a heart draw?

    good fold, imo
  3. Mattutaylor Mattutaylor is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 7:34am) in reply to elusively

    It was difficult though, the amount of times ive seen people do with with hands like AJ... I would love to know what he did have though.
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 7:45am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    I don't really like three-betting the flop if you're folding to a shove, since there are some hands he might shove that you are beating.
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 7:51am) in reply to warden

    So you fold under the assumption he hasnt limp/called AJ?
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 8:50am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    Just call his c/r? I don't see a problem with that since you have position, and there are many scarecards that can come on the turn which will slow him down. I feel if you are going to 3-bet/f then calling is probably a better option. See how he reacts to a turn card, and gauge his strength then.
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 8:52am) in reply to foulky

    Thats my weakness, playing the turn... if he has hit something strong, say 2 pair (maybe even a straight) I am gonna be milked as.... meh what you say kinda makes sense actually...
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 8:52am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    the light bulb switched on mid-sentence.
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 10:46am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    I'm thinking a limp call with Ad10d could also explain his c/r & push on flop. I can't see the 4bet push with AJ.
  10. Juanda 87 Juanda 87 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 10:49am) in reply to Mixn123

    Yes, re raising with the intention of folding is bad here, you need to either call his raise, or call his shove.
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 10:49am) in reply to Mixn123

    In which case its not actually worth the risk / reward anyway is it? Heres the hand that crippled me 400 or so before the money... If I win, I am top 30 stack.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3305022419: FTOPS Main Event (22695133), Table 74 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:48:23 ET - 2007/08/19
    Seat 1: Adar (18,747)
    Seat 2: Mattutaylor (19,650)
    Seat 3: CoffeeFlush (15,590)
    Seat 4: martonas (20,794)
    Seat 5: tommyzero51 (20,080)
    Seat 6: tightwrap (34,909)
    Seat 7: ChimpOnMeth (24,270)
    Seat 8: zebsta (15,567)
    Seat 9: x3rces (14,424)
    Adar antes 50
    Mattutaylor antes 50
    CoffeeFlush antes 50
    martonas antes 50
    tommyzero51 antes 50
    tightwrap antes 50
    ChimpOnMeth antes 50
    zebsta antes 50
    x3rces antes 50
    CoffeeFlush posts the small blind of 250
    martonas posts the big blind of 500
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mattutaylor [Kh Kc]
    tommyzero51 folds
    tightwrap folds
    ChimpOnMeth folds
    zebsta raises to 1,500
    x3rces folds
    Adar folds
    Mattutaylor raises to 3,600
    CoffeeFlush folds
    martonas folds
    zebsta calls 2,100
    *** FLOP *** [8d As Qh]
    zebsta checks
    Mattutaylor checks
    *** TURN *** [8d As Qh] [Ks]
    zebsta bets 11,917, and is all in
    Mattutaylor calls 11,917
    zebsta shows [Th Ac]
    Mattutaylor shows [Kh Kc]
    *** RIVER *** [8d As Qh Ks] [Jc]
    zebsta shows a straight, Ace high
    Mattutaylor shows three of a kind, Kings
    zebsta wins the pot (32,234) with a straight, Ace high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 32,234 | Rake 0
    Board: [8d As Qh Ks Jc]
    Seat 1: Adar folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: Mattutaylor (button) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
    Seat 3: CoffeeFlush (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: martonas (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: tommyzero51 folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: tightwrap folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: ChimpOnMeth folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: zebsta showed [Th Ac] and won (32,234) with a straight, Ace high
    Seat 9: x3rces folded before the Flop
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 10:51am) in reply to Juanda 87

    and do what when the turn is blank though? - If he bets the turn its hardly going to be minimum so Im gonna end up comitting the chips I raised, If not more after the flop!
     
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 10:55am) in reply to Mattutaylor

    Does anyone know how to get vomit out of a keyboard?

    Nice shove, zebsta. Guess you were beating...A9...

    Don't you love it when they shove OOP when a card comes on the turn that could only have crushed them further?
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 1:04pm) in reply to wny2nyc47

    The absolute 0 play. On Wikipedia if you type in 0 play it should only give a link directly to that hand.
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    Aug 21st, 2007 (8/21/2007 1:09pm) in reply to foulky

    Matt- I think in a wierd way the second hand you posted shows why you made the right desiscion in the first one. Yeah, you lost and busted out of the tournament but you got all your chips in with your oppponent drawing to a gutshot, I doubt had you called in the first hand your opponent would have been limited to only 4 outs.
     
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    Aug 23rd, 2007 (8/23/2007 9:54am) in reply to dankness3

    sorry to bump this but I've just found... the guy who caught the gutshot on the river went on to finish in 26th for 8k... hmmmm
     
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