tough hand preflop w/ JJ against Kennl

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  1. OfxAxRevolution OfxAxRevolution is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:07pm)

    with no info, what do u do?
    hows my line? do you flat?

    PokerStars Game #35679880981: Tournament #229010786, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/11/21 22:50:29 ET
    Table '229010786 42' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: pokerpimps81 (5949 in chips)
    Seat 2: pGmeSSiaS (52736 in chips)
    Seat 3: kennl (21574 in chips)
    Seat 4: JJProbably (25004 in chips)
    Seat 5: Profcrim (4881 in chips)
    Seat 6: blogduc (24342 in chips)
    pokerpimps81: posts the ante 50
    pGmeSSiaS: posts the ante 50
    kennl: posts the ante 50
    JJProbably: posts the ante 50
    Profcrim: posts the ante 50
    blogduc: posts the ante 50
    kennl: posts small blind 200
    JJProbably: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JJProbably [Jh Jd]
    Profcrim: folds
    blogduc: raises 800 to 1200
    pokerpimps81: folds
    pGmeSSiaS: folds
    kennl: calls 1000
    JJProbably: raises 3173 to 4373
    blogduc: folds
    kennl: raises 17151 to 21524 and is all-in
    JJProbably: ????
  2. random.chu random.chu is offline

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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:08pm) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    i just think it's funny you've got JJ.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:12pm) in reply to random.chu

    fold. kennl is doing this pretty frigging tight prob QQ+ AK and well JJ doesnt fare well, and i beleive hes shovign whole ranges cause it looks weakest. anything less is kinda spazzy w/o decent history
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:24pm) in reply to doubledave22

    LOL at folding JJ to kennl at any time for any amount.
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    Nov 21st, 2009 (11/21/2009 11:27pm) in reply to doubledave22

     
    Originally Posted by doubledave22 View Post

    fold. kennl is doing this pretty frigging tight prob QQ+ AK and well JJ doesnt fare well, and i beleive hes shovign whole ranges cause it looks weakest. anything less is kinda spazzy w/o decent history

    LOL

    ...don't fold
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 2:53am) in reply to Gags30

    unless you're from denmark or norway i'd fold..
  7. z06fanatic z06fanatic is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 3:05am) in reply to Spaceh0g

    gotta get it in. Hes not flatting too much that beats you although Im sure ull see AA here a small % of the time
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 3:55am) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    since he didnt flat in position and is flatting an EP raise from SB he could easily have worse and should probably have worse, i would snapcall fwiw as ur raise could easily be interpreted as a squeeze once OR folds.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 5:30am) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    from my experiences with kennl he has qq+ here a lot more than anything else. gross spot
     
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 5:49am) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    I don't hate a flat from the start, but its gonna be pretty tough to play JJ 3 ways in ur position, so I'd prob squeeze as well, and sure as hell not folding once I do, unless OR is rly tight and shoves, or they both shove.
     
  11. CNT_CRUSHER CNT_CRUSHER is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:26am) in reply to DFish

    Would nearly always squeeze here with the intention of calling the original raisers shove and folding to kennl. Against others or with other history things might be different but i'm pretty sure kennl's range has us crushed. Also for those tending not to squeeze here, you probably should be less inclined to stack off 50bb when you do as you are often going to be crushed when shoved upon with an unbalanced range.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 12:00pm) in reply to CNT_CRUSHER

    I dont get it - Kennl never 3 bets QQ+,AK here pre? Id imagine hed be 3 betting that range a very high % of the time to the original raiser, so JJ is in great shape vs his flatting range.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 12:38pm) in reply to Strong Play

     
    Originally Posted by Strong Play View Post

    LOL at folding JJ to kennl at any time for any amount.

    ^^^^please ban^^^^
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 12:51pm) in reply to z06fanatic

     
    Originally Posted by z06fanatic View Post

    I dont get it - Kennl never 3 bets QQ+,AK here pre? Id imagine hed be 3 betting that range a very high % of the time to the original raiser, so JJ is in great shape vs his flatting range.

    what i was trying to say. i just dont think he would flat big hands OOP very often, like i said if this were kennl flatting on the button/cutoff, he could easily be huge here. but i dont get y his range is "QQ+ most of the time", when flatting from SB
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 1:07pm) in reply to kenn121

    kenn told me that u have been 3bettin light alot in that game - so i'd just snap his shove^^
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 1:51pm) in reply to IM_ICM

    thanks for the responses guys...i was really confused on this one but i ended up folding, i knew i had a pretty loose image, but i also thought i could find a better spot w/ 50bbs left with the 30 min levels.

    kenn would u mind to tell me what u had??
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  17. Burying_Luck Burying_Luck is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 1:52pm) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    Foldddd
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 1:56pm) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

     
    Originally Posted by OfxAxRevolution View Post

    thanks for the responses guys...i was really confused on this one but i ended up folding, i knew i had a pretty loose image, but i also thought i could find a better spot w/ 40bbs left with the 30 min levels.

    kenn would u mind to tell me what u had??

    from memory KK
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