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Tough hand w/ QQ deep in the $77 6 Max MTT need input

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  1. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 8:06pm)

    Lately I've been getting flatted behind in similar situations and stacks by players w/ AK and even less and I had been getting my money in good and then poof spike goes the Ace on the river or something else. That kind of influenced my play a bit.

    There were about 27 players left. I had a pretty good feel for the table and when I got flatted behind I did believe their strength.

    I raised up the way I did preflop believing that would define my hand to this table pretty well and that my stack was to big to just shove. I could have raised a bit more but didn't feel it necessary given the play at the table.

    I've been told I should have shoved to induce a weaker hand to call and if I get a cooler then so be it. I'm not sure about that so comment on that please.

    When I got flat called preflop as I said alarm bells went off but I talked myself into "playing for the win"! Meaning just get the chips in with a big hand and hope it is big enough. Ouch, should have listened to my read on this player.

    I decided to bet out and call if I got shoved on since I've been seeing the old AK do that a few times in the past week or so and I've been getting advice to get all my chips in these situations.

    What do you think?

    *********** # 235 **************
    pokerstars Game #15627852669: Tournament #78455863, $70+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2008/02/29 - 02:49:03 (ET)
    Table '78455863 24' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Bluewave (28160 in chips)
    Seat 2: abells (24311 in chips)
    Seat 3: DonGi (10589 in chips)
    Seat 4: mikey23861 (25735 in chips)
    Seat 5: BreakRibs (42500 in chips)
    Seat 6: CraazzzeKK (17357 in chips)
    Bluewave: posts the ante 100
    abells: posts the ante 100
    DonGi: posts the ante 100
    mikey23861: posts the ante 100
    BreakRibs: posts the ante 100
    CraazzzeKK: posts the ante 100
    mikey23861: posts small blind 500
    BreakRibs: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bluewave [Qd Qc]
    CraazzzeKK: raises 2000 to 3000
    Bluewave: raises 4600 to 7600
    abells: calls 7600
    DonGi: folds
    mikey23861: folds
    BreakRibs: folds
    CraazzzeKK: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3h 2d Jh]
    Bluewave: bets 7000
    abells: raises 9611 to 16611 and is all-in
    Bluewave: calls 9611
    Bluewave said, "nh"
    *** TURN *** [3h 2d Jh] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [3h 2d Jh 8s] [As]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Bluewave: shows [Qd Qc] (a pair of Queens)
    abells: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
    abells collected 53522 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 53522 | Rake 0
    Board [3h 2d Jh 8s As]
    Seat 1: Bluewave showed [Qd Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 2: abells showed [Kh Ks] and won (53522) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 3: DonGi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: mikey23861 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: BreakRibs (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: CraazzzeKK folded before Flop
  2. busteddraw busteddraw is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 10:11pm) in reply to The Knish

    hmmm,

    28 big blinds does seem to large to be shoving with given the stacks at the table.

    Even with a read when they flat called telling you you are beat I think it would still be tough not to get all the chips in on the flop.

    I would most likely be shoving the flop
  3. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 5:32pm) in reply to The Knish

    bump

    could use some more feedback
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  4. brysch22 brysch22 is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 5:42pm) in reply to The Knish

    This seems like a tough spot, possibly a cooler at this stage in the tourny. I dont see how you can get away from the hand after the flop. The guys flat call shows strength, but Ive seen donkeys play 88-1010 the same way along with possibly AK for hands that you beat. AA, KK, JJ are hands that would play like this too. Id just mark this up as a cooler. I dont see what you could have done different. Tough spot, would like to hear more from others though.
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  5. The Knish The Knish is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 6:36pm) in reply to brysch22

    yeah,

    This was tough for me and I've had various people tell me that I should be getting my chips in regardless of my read in this spot every time to chip up at this stage of the tourney.

    In the past I have been able to get away from the hand if I had a similar stack and my read was that a big hand flatted me and they weren't bluffing.

    In this case I knew darn well that my raise was good to define my hand at this table and if I didn't get flatted behind preflop I"m just looking to avoid an A or K on the flop. When I got flatted I'm thinking "Shit" I have 20 BB's left and that is plenty to fight with at this table and I need to improve on the flop or I should be done w/ the hand.

    Then of course I ignored that thought and my read.
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