Ok, this is the $4.40 1000 cap 8 max on stars. This is the final table and it just started so we're only 2 or 3 hands in so I have no reads on villain. Also, I should note that one player is sitting out and has been since final 2 tables from what I've seen but may be longer. Is this a spot where I lay this down because I have no read on the player and there is also a guy sitting out so I can guarantee 7th (not saying I want 7th but still maybe something to consider) or is it just a cooler where I have to jam. Also I am assuming I can't just flat the 3bet and take a flop with only 30bbs behind, is that also correct?

Thanks

pokerstars Game #58079950143: Tournament #366081587, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (5000/10000) - 2011/02/22 1:16:36 ET
Table '366081587 49' 8-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Lammi77 (180255 in chips)
Seat 2: BBall27915 (175173 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: disgren12 (333708 in chips)
Seat 4: MuteAsasin87 (319063 in chips)
Seat 5: danda90 (149825 in chips)
Seat 6: Blomaha (1041638 in chips)
Seat 7: tristano00 (412554 in chips)
Seat 8: Mosketty (387784 in chips)
Lammi77: posts the ante 1250
BBall27915: posts the ante 1250
disgren12: posts the ante 1250
MuteAsasin87: posts the ante 1250
danda90: posts the ante 1250
Blomaha: posts the ante 1250
tristano00: posts the ante 1250
Mosketty: posts the ante 1250
Mosketty: posts small blind 5000
Lammi77: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MuteAsasin87 [Kc Ac]
BBall27915: folds
disgren12: folds
MuteAsasin87: raises 10000 to 20000
danda90: calls 20000
Blomaha: calls 20000
tristano00: raises 80000 to 100000
Mosketty: folds
Lammi77: folds
MuteAsasin87: raises 217813 to 317813 and is all-in
danda90: folds
Blomaha: folds
tristano00: calls 217813
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ts 2s]
*** TURN *** [Qs Ts 2s] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Qs Ts 2s 3s] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MuteAsasin87: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Threes)
tristano00: shows [Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
tristano00 collected 700626 from pot
MuteAsasin87 finished the tournament in 8th place and received $60.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700626 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Ts 2s 3s 3d]
Seat 1: Lammi77 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BBall27915 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: disgren12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MuteAsasin87 showed [Kc Ac] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 5: danda90 folded before Flop
Seat 6: Blomaha folded before Flop
Seat 7: tristano00 (button) showed [Kh Kd] and won (700626) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 8: Mosketty (small blind) folded before Flop

 

Originally Posted by Pick6man

way overthinking it imo. I do not think you can ever raise/fold AK suited 31bbs to single action in this donkament.

[x] cooler

Thanks

Cooler. You should be happy to get it in here. Keep in mind, you win 1:4 times here. Posting results is debatable here if your wondering if you can ever fold AK which you can't in this trny/stack size etc.

naahh cant fold...cooler gg

 

Originally Posted by RyJS

I know it sucks cause AK looks really pretty and in most cases you'll be ahead or only slightly behind, but maybe flat and see a flop and fold if you really don't feel good about it.. You'd still have plenty of chips to play around with. You cerntainly ran into a tough hand and you're going to lose chips no matter what, but I don't think flatting the 3bet here is completely out of the question.

Yes, Flatting the 3-bet here should be completely out of the question...

 

Originally Posted by rayfox111

Going to play devils avocate here, your all saying, including one of my fav posters on here bonflizubi, that you have to get it in pre.

But is a shove the best option? Theres 3 smaller stacks on the table.
We've no reads which is difficult, so we assume hes a straight up player.
If we range him at 88+AJs+KQs+AKo, which I think is reasonable, were 50/50.
If we give him 99+ etc were 55/45 dog. Were 55/45 dog to 33 - QQ. AA were 7/1 dog, KK were 2/1 behind.
If were trying to get our money in good it dont look too great!

OK, like zubi said you may get a fold, which is an obvious +, but what are we fav to beat? AQ, AJ, KQ could be. KJ, QJ JT maybe.
Understand what your saying about gambling to win the tourney, but I for1 seem to be busting far too often shoving AK!
IDK, I think were getting our money in behind more often than good with AK & praying for a good result! thats what it feels like to me.

So are you advocating r/f AKs with 31 bbs on a final table in a 4 dollar tourney? I hear what you are saying but you can easily go card dead and dwindle down ur options real fast. Lets just say you know it is 99+ here.......are we folding? You may as fold pre perhaps. Flatting? I was shocked to see that as an option but dude has had a score or two would love to hear the rationale behind that.

Fearlessness........ go for the win.

 

Originally Posted by Pick6man

So are you advocating r/f AKs with 31 bbs on a final table in a 4 dollar tourney? I hear what you are saying but you can easily go card dead and dwindle down ur options real fast. Lets just say you know it is 99+ here.......are we folding? You may as fold pre perhaps. Flatting? I was shocked to see that as an option but dude has had a score or two would love to hear the rationale behind that.

Fearlessness........ go for the win.

 

Originally Posted by bonflizubi

And Pic is a nit.....

Understand what your both saying, just seems like your behind too often to be that great!

 

Originally Posted by rayfox111

Understand what your both saying, just seems like your behind too often to be that great!

But if yo uare ever going to take a flip, this is the spot to do it. Also you are getting it in nearly even money to the pot because of all the dead money sitting there from the flatters. Assuming it's not KK,AA of course - and lots of lower pairs as well as AK, AQ and probably even worse show up here. This is one of those don't think, shove spots all day every day.