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Tough Preflop spot with KK super deep vs a reg

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  1. AApoker AApoker is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2010 (9/19/2010 11:29pm)

    pokerstars Game #49871639675: Tournament #2010090042, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2010/09/19 15:16:04 PT [2010/09/19 18:16:04 ET]
    Table '2010090042 260' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Mr Blankey (11115 in chips)
    Seat 2: cs1lfc (11764 in chips)
    Seat 3: mman_status (17360 in chips)
    Seat 4: thenutzzzz12 (15915 in chips)
    Seat 5: Eeedz (14670 in chips)
    Seat 6: Noctus (16740 in chips)
    Seat 7: Snusarn (16620 in chips)
    Seat 8: magickittty (16535 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: joejeweler (14200 in chips)
    magickittty: posts small blind 40
    joejeweler: posts big blind 80
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to thenutzzzz12 [Kc Ks]
    Mr Blankey: folds
    cs1lfc: folds
    mman_status: raises 120 to 200
    thenutzzzz12: raises 440 to 640
    Eeedz: folds
    Noctus: folds
    Snusarn: folds
    magickittty: folds
    joejeweler: folds
    mman_status: raises 1200 to 1840
    joejeweler said, "lol"
     
  2. BetzPH BetzPH is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2010 (9/19/2010 11:31pm) in reply to AApoker

    what a nit
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  3. toddytheboy toddytheboy is offline

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    Sep 19th, 2010 (9/19/2010 11:35pm) in reply to AApoker

    4444 and then maybe a fold
     
  4. TheSteve TheSteve is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 3:52am) in reply to toddytheboy

    1. Get it in
    2. Don't run into dem aces
    3. Win the pot
    4. Enjoy a zillion bbs with a big stack
    5. Post results
  5. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 3:59am) in reply to TheSteve

    call and proceed
  6. Tmelson Tmelson is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 4:40am) in reply to poisoneye1986

    raise/call. Your not going to get any value post flop against a regular after you smooth a full 3x reraise unless he's seen you do some weird set mining.
    Try and get him to donk shove.
     
  7. clemsonrich clemsonrich is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 4:50am) in reply to Tmelson

    lol at "tough spot preflop with kk"
     
  8. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 5:35am) in reply to clemsonrich

     
    Originally Posted by clemsonrich View Post

    lol at "tough spot preflop with kk"

    lol @ anyon who thinks this isn't a tough spot.
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  9. uga7211 uga7211 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 6:06am) in reply to m_hawk_1

     
    Originally Posted by m_hawk_1 View Post

    lol @ anyon who thinks this isn't a tough spot.

    agreed.. tough spot.. since you said he's a reg.. you should have some hands under your belt with the player.. that being said the situation is player dependent.. if you knows hes a nit.. then prob flat. call dry flop and go from there.. really tough to give feedback in this spot without knowing more information on the player besides that he's a reg.. syk spot tho.. (note: i busted the same way in the same event, same exact scenario.. I got mine in after the turn on a 8493 board:( ) hope your result was different.. glglgl
     
  10. AApoker AApoker is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 6:59am) in reply to uga7211

    I did call and proceed, against this player I felt 5 betting here would just get me jammed on by aces, and I don't really want to 5 bet fold here. On the flop I felt I couldn't fold... On the turn when he crams I feel like he could be protecting two black aces... Or perhaps if he has QQ he might have Qd, but I really don't know if a reg would 4 ball QQ pre there.

    pokerstars Game #49871639675: Tournament #2010090042, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2010/09/19 15:16:04 PT [2010/09/19 18:16:04 ET]
    Table '2010090042 260' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Mr Blankey (11115 in chips)
    Seat 2: cs1lfc (11764 in chips)
    Seat 3: mman_status (17360 in chips)
    Seat 4: thenutzzzz12 (15915 in chips)
    Seat 5: Eeedz (14670 in chips)
    Seat 6: Noctus (16740 in chips)
    Seat 7: Snusarn (16620 in chips)
    Seat 8: magickittty (16535 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: joejeweler (14200 in chips)
    magickittty: posts small blind 40
    joejeweler: posts big blind 80
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to thenutzzzz12 [Kc Ks]
    Mr Blankey: folds
    cs1lfc: folds
    mman_status: raises 120 to 200
    thenutzzzz12: raises 440 to 640
    Eeedz: folds
    Noctus: folds
    Snusarn: folds
    magickittty: folds
    joejeweler: folds
    mman_status: raises 1200 to 1840
    joejeweler said, "lol"
    thenutzzzz12: calls 1200
    *** FLOP *** [3d Tc 2d]
    mman_status: bets 2455
    thenutzzzz12: calls 2455
    *** TURN *** [3d Tc 2d] [5d]
    mman_status: bets 13065 and is all-in
    thenutzzzz12: ??
     
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  11. benavidez benavidez is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 7:41am) in reply to AApoker

    wow what a situation. i wouldnt put him on aces but i'll put him on pocket 8's with diamond or pocket Jacks with diamond or trip tens with diamond but you put him all in before the flop when he reraised
  12. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 7:41am) in reply to AApoker

    I would be shocked if he shows a single hand that isn't AA here. I don't think he's the least bit worried about you having a flush, think he's just trying to get max value from KK/QQ before the board gets too wet.
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  13. AJyowler AJyowler is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 7:41am) in reply to AApoker

    This is a lot higher stakes then what I play, but I will offer my donk opinion nevertheless.. I like your line up to the turn but I think you have to call.. why the huge overbet? shouldn't he be betting for value? IMO, he is scared of a flush or just trying to push you out.. I dont think JJ or QQ is out of the question with his line esp if he has diamond...
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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 7:52am) in reply to AJyowler

    if ur this uncomfortable with them kings just flat the first time around...
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    Sep 20th, 2010 (9/20/2010 2:58pm) in reply to Tmelson

     
    Originally Posted by Tmelson View Post

    raise/call. Your not going to get any value post flop against a regular after you smooth a full 3x reraise unless he's seen you do some weird set mining.
    Try and get him to donk shove.

    Do you realize they are like 200bbs deep?
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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 7:47am) in reply to el arracachero

    We are 200 bbs deep vs a very good reg, I know I personally have aces in that spot. I would think most regs are not going to 4 bet a random, and I definitely think I am perceived as a random for luls this deep in a 1k. Especially when there are a lot of soft satty players in the field. That being said I dont normally flat kings this deep because I am raising for value -- I expect most pairs to call and fold when they dont flop a set. I also expect hands like some sc call and try to outplay me post-flop oop. I can play this hand much more effectively in a 3 bet pot than a 4 bet pot because ... by the turn I really can't range him on much other than aces. Personally I think he might have had two black aces or something because someone on the table mentioned they folded the A of diamonds. I guess if he ran a bluff on me in this spot kudos... I folded the turn, I just thought this deep with this long levels there would be much cleaner spots to get my money in, in a 1k than this.
     
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    Sep 22nd, 2010 (9/22/2010 9:26pm) in reply to AApoker

    so do you call with K of diamonds?
     
  18. GutShotBen GutShotBen is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2010 (9/22/2010 9:53pm) in reply to siola

     
    Originally Posted by siola View Post

    if ur this uncomfortable with them kings just flat the first time around...


    i<3siola
     
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