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tough preflop spot at a tough table

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  1. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 5:17pm)

    tough table few to none uncontested pots you...

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10652078384: $18,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (80146128), Table 19 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:15:23 ET - 2009/02/15

    Seat 1: Tomgus456 (60,930)

    Seat 2: The_Emphasizer (155,200)

    Seat 4: jomama7769 (93,408)

    Seat 5: o mrBuBbLeS o (89,943)

    Seat 6: andressoprano (154,805)

    Seat 8: SvenO (78,188)

    Seat 9: 4everunkown (49,459)

    Tomgus456 antes 400

    The_Emphasizer antes 400

    jomama7769 antes 400

    o mrBuBbLeS o antes 400

    andressoprano antes 400

    SvenO antes 400

    4everunkown antes 400

    jomama7769 posts the small blind of 1,500

    o mrBuBbLeS o posts the big blind of 3,000

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to 4everunkown [Qc Jc]

    andressoprano folds

    SvenO folds

    4everunkown ???
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  2. Wawa711 Wawa711 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 5:35pm) in reply to rock3656

    7 handed table?.... yea i shove
     
  3. willbec1 willbec1 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 6:20pm) in reply to Wawa711

    I would probably shove to but i would be in a 10 dolalr so i dunno if the rules apply
     
  4. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 3:22pm) in reply to willbec1

    wanted more input on this
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  5. Wawa711 Wawa711 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 3:41pm) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    wanted more input on this

    this was what went through my mind...

    7 handed table, 16 BBs. QJsooted. too good of a hand to straight up muck, yet not good enough of a hand to raise/call off. Only solution would be to open shove
     
  6. ASPoker8 ASPoker8 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 3:49pm) in reply to rock3656

    www.pokerstove.com :P

    shove!
     
  7. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 3:52pm) in reply to rock3656

    Antes are huge, snap shove.
     
  8. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 4:17pm) in reply to ASPoker8

     
    Originally Posted by ASPoker8 View Post

    www.pokerstove.com :P

    shove!

    I have pokerstove etc... but AS can u send me a pm or hit me up on aim:rock3656 , i dont know how to do the math of how to figure out whether or not its profitable u 2+2 guys are way to smart for the rest of us...
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  9. Veteran In Love Veteran In Love is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 9:09am) in reply to rock3656

    You're in EP at a tight, tough table. I'd look for a smallish raise of around 2 - 2.5 BB at around 7,000-8,000 which would leave 41-42K or so in your stack. I may be alone in this, but I think shoving here is overexcessive because you have more than one bullet in your gun; even if someone reshoves you out and your blind steal fails your remaining stack is still good enough to shove with.

    Now if you are called by one person, the pot would be around 16K. You would have room for a solid continuation bet of around 9-11K, and this is good because:

    1) if you bet and are still pressured out of a flop that you miss, you would still have around 32-33K - still good enough for a shove preflop.

    2) if you are called, you have 32K that you can choose to utilize on a badass-looking turn shove into a pot of roughly 34-38K if you think your opponent cannot call, or you could fold if your read says he's not folding and still have a preflop shove stack.

    So in short, try to steal the blinds here because of your good position and the table, because even if someone re-steals against you preflop, you can fold and still move on to the next hand.
     
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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 10:37am) in reply to Veteran In Love

     
    Originally Posted by Veteran In Love View Post

    You're in EP at a tight, tough table. I'd look for a smallish raise of around 2 - 2.5 BB at around 7,000-8,000 which would leave 41-42K or so in your stack. I may be alone in this, but I think shoving here is overexcessive because you have more than one bullet in your gun; even if someone reshoves you out and your blind steal fails your remaining stack is still good enough to shove with.

    Now if you are called by one person, the pot would be around 16K. You would have room for a solid continuation bet of around 9-11K, and this is good because:

    1) if you bet and are still pressured out of a flop that you miss, you would still have around 32-33K - still good enough for a shove preflop.

    2) if you are called, you have 32K that you can choose to utilize on a badass-looking turn shove into a pot of roughly 34-38K if you think your opponent cannot call, or you could fold if your read says he's not folding and still have a preflop shove stack.

    So in short, try to steal the blinds here because of your good position and the table, because even if someone re-steals against you preflop, you can fold and still move on to the next hand.

    Not this. I think a shove is probably ok but I lean towards fold.
     
  11. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 12:09pm) in reply to trippkirk

    if it was a single position earlier im folding pretty easy. Being hijack here i think shove is fine... its prty marginal tho but +ev is +ev
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  12. BigRed0000 BigRed0000 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 12:17pm) in reply to doubledave22

    most aggressive move in hold em
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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 12:20pm) in reply to BigRed0000

    im shoving here
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  14. jetsjets1028 jetsjets1028 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2009 (2/17/2009 12:39pm) in reply to Veteran In Love

     
    Originally Posted by Veteran In Love View Post

    You're in EP at a tight, tough table. I'd look for a smallish raise of around 2 - 2.5 BB at around 7,000-8,000 which would leave 41-42K or so in your stack. I may be alone in this, but I think shoving here is overexcessive because you have more than one bullet in your gun; even if someone reshoves you out and your blind steal fails your remaining stack is still good enough to shove with.

    Now if you are called by one person, the pot would be around 16K. You would have room for a solid continuation bet of around 9-11K, and this is good because:

    1) if you bet and are still pressured out of a flop that you miss, you would still have around 32-33K - still good enough for a shove preflop.

    2) if you are called, you have 32K that you can choose to utilize on a badass-looking turn shove into a pot of roughly 34-38K if you think your opponent cannot call, or you could fold if your read says he's not folding and still have a preflop shove stack.

    So in short, try to steal the blinds here because of your good position and the table, because even if someone re-steals against you preflop, you can fold and still move on to the next hand.

    I think this is bad advice ESPECIALLY given the fact that you are at a strong table.

    These types of moves are normally spewy in any case, but add on to that, the fact that you are up against players who love to 3 bet and float and this play will almost never work. Even if you are lucky enough to get to a flop, you are gonna get shoved on so often its sick.

    Shove or fold are your only options and they are close imo. I would lean towards folding since I like shoving with hands that showdown well, and qj is not ahead of much.

    Hope this helps
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