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Tough Spot From a $109 Turbo Final Table Bubble

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  1. P33J P33J is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 1:56am)

    11 left. Villain was a supernova, definitely seemed to play solid/have a good understanding of push/fold. He had been active with a larger chip stack a little bit earlier in the tournament but no real reads on him. The table in general had been very active without me finding very many easy spots to chip up, how much should that factor into my decision making?

    Any thoughts on the hand are appreciated.


    pokerstars Game #60503467867: Tournament #415010065, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (2500/5000) - 2011/04/08 3:10:57 ET
    Table '415010065 22' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: GriffGolf13 (157655 in chips)
    Seat 2: C1usterLuck (82884 in chips)
    Seat 3: gabe2323 (65409 in chips)
    Seat 5: BigDShaggyJ (107643 in chips)
    Seat 6: wowwow123858 (18514 in chips)
    Seat 8: Hottrader411 (10685 in chips)
    Seat 9: bigpimpin777 (56672 in chips)
    GriffGolf13: posts the ante 625
    C1usterLuck: posts the ante 625
    gabe2323: posts the ante 625
    BigDShaggyJ: posts the ante 625
    wowwow123858: posts the ante 625
    Hottrader411: posts the ante 625
    bigpimpin777: posts the ante 625
    GriffGolf13: posts small blind 2500
    C1usterLuck: posts big blind 5000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to C1usterLuck [As 5s]
    gabe2323: folds
    BigDShaggyJ: folds
    wowwow123858: folds
    Hottrader411: folds
    bigpimpin777: raises 51047 to 56047 and is all-in
    GriffGolf13: folds
    C1usterluck: ???
    Edited By: P33J Apr 10th, 2011 at 01:57 AM
     
  2. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 5:13am) in reply to P33J

    I'll say before I post that I dont play $100+ mtts often, I think a call is fine here. I mean we'd think he's shoving 22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q6s+,J6s+,T6s+,97s+,87s,76s,A2o+,K7o +,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o, which is obviously the better part of his range, and it looks like this

    [SIZE=1]Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
    3,486,250,944 games 4.758 secs 732,713,523 games/sec
    Board:
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 51.236% 47.39% 03.85% 1651978896 134248698.00 { A5s }
    Hand 1: 48.764% 44.91% 03.85% 1565774652 134248698.00 { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q6s+, J6s+, T6s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
    　
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    2,582,154,432 games 3.525 secs 732,526,080 games/sec
    Board:
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 48.502% 43.39% 05.12% 1120296992 132087296.00 { A5s }
    Hand 1: 51.498% 46.38% 05.12% 1197682848 132087296.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, JTs, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
    　
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    　So personally I dont think a call is BAD by any means, but I'd certainly rather be the one shoving than calling, esp 15 bb deep in a turbo, even despite the fact that it been difficult to chip up.....So call me nitty but idk- I THINK I find a fold here, but calling is def not wrong by any means imo
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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 6:46am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    Donnie- I think he might be wider than that actually. But lets assume your range is accurate - that doesnt seem like much edge since we aren't able to be that precise about whether he really shoves the bottom of his range or not. I'd pass and look to shove from mid-late position instead - but it's a bit nitty as well I agree.
     
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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 7:15pm) in reply to decamps

    Do the two short stacks with <3-4 bbs at the table change villain's shove range? Depending on the player, I could see the short stacks leading him to shoving a tighter range and narrowing our edge even more.
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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 8:09pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    Do the two short stacks with <3-4 bbs at the table change villain's shove range? Depending on the player, I could see the short stacks leading him to shoving a tighter range and narrowing our edge even more.

    Given that the short stacks have already folded before villains actions, I would say the presence of short stacks would cause him to be shoving a wider range rather than a tighter range if villain is competent, since he would have higher fold equity since non competent players are going to be calling tighter to try to coast to the FT if they're not in any immediate danger of busting.

    That would make it lean more toward a call on paper, but in real time I probably just fold. A5 just isn't a hand that plays very well against anything. The best case scenario you'll have would be villain turning up A2-A4 (which will likely end in a split) or villain will turn over a hand like J7 and you'll still only be a 60% favorite to double. I probably nit fold and wait for a spot where I can shove from mid-late position as bonflizubi said, but I don't think a call is bad by any means.
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    Apr 10th, 2011 (4/10/2011 9:48pm) in reply to bonflizubi

     
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    Donnie- I think he might be wider than that actually. But lets assume your range is accurate - that doesnt seem like much edge since we aren't able to be that precise about whether he really shoves the bottom of his range or not. I'd pass and look to shove from mid-late position instead - but it's a bit nitty as well I agree.

    His range is obv a lot wider than what I assigned to him, but this is just the nittier side just for shits and giggles
     
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    Apr 11th, 2011 (4/11/2011 5:13am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    i like the call here,vilain range here is uberwide from the button.to win thoses turbo you got to exploit small edges like this spot
     
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    Apr 11th, 2011 (4/11/2011 8:53pm) in reply to GutShotBen

    I think ultimately call is the proper answer. Although I expected to be slightly ahead of his range what made this a tough spot to me is that I had a decent number of chips, so I was wondering if anyone thought passing on calling off with the weak ace here would be better in order to be the shover in later spots and use my stacks FE to avoid showdowns such as this one.
     
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