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  1. Kochan Kochan is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 11:25pm)

    Seat 1: Fiskin1 (10750 in chips)
    Seat 2: eisenhower1 (10750 in chips)

    Seat 3: #1PEN (13540 in chips)

    Seat 4: LukeFromB13 (11525 in chips)

    Seat 5: puntnko (17585 in chips)

    Seat 6: axw23 (8085 in chips)

    Seat 7: VietCutie (7015 in chips)

    Seat 8: TheCronic420 (4775 in chips)

    Seat 9: RiggsB (5509 in chips)

    Fiskin1: posts small blind 75

    eisenhower1: posts big blind 150

    Dealt to puntnko [Qd Qh]

    #1PEN: folds

    LukeFromB13: folds

    puntnko: raises 300 to 450

    axw23: folds

    VietCutie: folds

    TheCronic420: folds

    RiggsB: folds

    Fiskin1: folds

    eisenhower1: raises 900 to 1350

    puntnko: calls 900

    *** FLOP *** [Th 6c 5c]

    eisenhower1: bets 1450

    <SPAN>puntnko: ???

    quite early after rebuy period...
    seems strange but i dont feel like I beat alot of hands here...or do i?
    does anyone just fold here...

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  2. The Universe The Universe is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 11:28pm) in reply to Kochan

    i just dont get when people do this and then think about folding......like why are you calling pre if you arent going broke on good boards? trying to re-eval post flop? I think if you're calling pre you should just be sticking it in on these kinds of boards....also fwiw i dont mind flatting the flop with the intention of getting it in on all decent turns...in fact thats probably best but I'm never folding.
     
  3. Kochan Kochan is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 11:33pm) in reply to The Universe

    i dno mabe if ur interested in just stickin it in and hoping wen both players have >70bbs
    given the raise and the size of the stacks i can easily set mine here...and probably go broke on ur average under card flop...but the 10 brings another hand that beats me
    obviously this is easy with 20-30bbs
     
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  4. The Universe The Universe is offline

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    Mar 3rd, 2008 (3/3/2008 11:40pm) in reply to Kochan

    so youre set mining? if you know youre set mining pre that fine...now fold. But I'm not sure that his range is AA and KK only. I do think he's probably still 3 betting AK and JJ seeing as I know him as a fairly aggressive player. I dont think folding this flop is bad at all. I'm just saying that I dont do it and to be honest I'm not sticking it in on the flop and hoping cuz I dont think he is calling with JJ and we're turning our hand into a bluff. I think the way to get max value is to call flop then check and re eval turn. That way you get a little more value from bluffs and JJ.
     
  5. willcutyou willcutyou is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 12:00am) in reply to The Universe

    i'm with theuni on this one, I doubt I'm folding this postflop or at all (depending on the turn i guess) but re-shoving postflop deffinetely isn't the best play and most certainly is not the way to get the most equity out of the hands that you do beat.
     
  6. Kochan Kochan is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 12:10am) in reply to willcutyou

    surely rerraising all in on the flop is the better play
    i think if i had KQcl/AQcl or variations of that im shoving all in on that flop so why wouldnt he call with JJ?
    wat hand would i realistically flat call on that flop?? J10/Q10 if i was a really bad player...6s...5s...10s
    also wat if the turn brings a club or 10/Q/K/A to freeze him up...
     
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  7. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 12:56am) in reply to Kochan

    srsly, pre is fine, call flop re-eval on turn

    atleast have some idea wth youre doing on a couple diff flops so you can get a feel for his flop action and proceed from there

    cant just fold on all flops w/o a Q
     
  8. eisenhower1 eisenhower1 is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:39am) in reply to Kochan

    FOOOOLD =)

    I thought about this hand.. I have JJ, puntnko shoves.
    Is it terrible to call? It feels like it is
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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:50am) in reply to eisenhower1

    ^^^^^^^

    see, i really dont think youre stacking off with JJ which is why i dont shove the flop
     
  10. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:46pm) in reply to The Universe

    Why would you shove approx 15-16kish after a bet of 1400? That just sounds bad.....either a)play it like a puss, and c/c everything since you put him on JJ+ anyway, and fold to scare cards b)raise his bet on the flop to 3519 and if he shoves, then you can decide (leaving urself 12kish with a pot of 22k c)raise his flop bet to 4200 and close eyes, click call, and high five monitor when he flips JJ d)raise and kill urself when you stack off to AA when he shoves or e) call flop, reevaluate (if he has AK he has 24% to hit) or f) FOLD

    Toughy, but I know AK AQ 99 etc are all making a cbet on this flop...or do one better...min raise him and scare the hell outta him? :)
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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:50pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    Seat 2: eisenhower1 (10750 in chips)

    after cbet he has put 2800 in so 8k behind
     
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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:50pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    tough hand but i dont like folding, maybe to a diff player....
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  13. falcon091480 falcon091480 is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 1:59pm) in reply to Kochan

    What about 3 betting preflop?
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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 2:02pm) in reply to falcon091480

    eisenhower has taken care of that, falcon.
     
  15. Camstock Camstock is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 2:14pm) in reply to Kochan

    I think shoving is losing value but I definetly think you have to raise. I can't see getting away from this hand very often. He could definetly be making this play with alot of different hands trying to take the pot away from you if he put you on two big cards and thinks you missed the flop. I don't like just calling because if an A or K comes on the turn you won't know where you are.
  16. The Universe The Universe is offline

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    Mar 4th, 2008 (3/4/2008 2:16pm) in reply to Camstock

    sure you do. if an ace or king comes on the turn youre beating only 1 hand is eisenhower's range, JJ and JJ isnt betting an ace turn because he is not turning JJ into a bluff here.
     
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