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Tough spot in the 16k....

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  1. butch2478 butch2478 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 7:53pm)

    smooth called preflop in bb with pot odds....initial raiser has been playing pretty loose and aggressive....smooth caller was not sure of....

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8033493441: $16,000 Guarantee (60345681), Table 6 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:45:04 ET - 2008/09/11

    Seat 1: Brandon88 (14,455)

    Seat 2: MarkFSU1 (12,524)

    Seat 3: peachy24 (9,612)

    Seat 4: KashousKlay (11,013)

    Seat 5: 09171970sar (3,624)

    Seat 6: BigHevC (835)

    Seat 7: GoNuggs1 (6,320)

    Seat 8: 1DAYiLWIN (3,012)

    Seat 9: butch2478 (9,920)

    Brandon88 antes 25

    MarkFSU1 antes 25

    peachy24 antes 25

    KashousKlay antes 25

    09171970sar antes 25

    BigHevC antes 25

    GoNuggs1 antes 25

    1DAYiLWIN antes 25

    butch2478 antes 25

    1DAYiLWIN posts the small blind of 120

    butch2478 posts the big blind of 240

    The button is in seat #7

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to butch2478 [7c Tc]

    Brandon88 folds

    MarkFSU1 folds

    peachy24 raises to 680

    KashousKlay has 15 seconds left to act

    KashousKlay calls 680

    09171970sar folds

    BigHevC folds

    GoNuggs1 has 15 seconds left to act

    GoNuggs1 folds

    1DAYiLWIN folds

    butch2478 calls 440

    *** FLOP *** [7s Qc Ts]

    butch2478 checks

    peachy24 has 15 seconds left to act

    peachy24 bets 1,800

    KashousKlay has 15 seconds left to act

    KashousKlay raises to 5,310

    butch2478 has 15 seconds left to act

    butch2478 has requested TIME
  2. E4ERICK E4ERICK is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 7:56pm) in reply to butch2478

    it's AQ scared of a flush draw.

    i hope you called.
  3. sobizzle21 sobizzle21 is offline Scammer

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 7:58pm) in reply to E4ERICK

    as played id get the money in but fold pre please
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  4. E4ERICK E4ERICK is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:08pm) in reply to sobizzle21

     
    Originally Posted by sobizzle21 View Post

    as played id get the money in but fold pre please

    def agree

    if you're gonna play that hand and hit 2 pair and not play it, why play it to begin with?
  5. felloff felloff is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:10pm) in reply to E4ERICK

    triple agree i would rarely play 107 in this spot out of position, but you played it and hit two pair what more do you want?
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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:11pm) in reply to butch2478

    u can never fold here...ever

    fold pre
     
  7. ABorges ABorges is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:12pm) in reply to butch2478

    So you hit the flop as hard as you can, still have a tough time calling off all your chips and still think you have pot odds to call preflop? No position, pretty much no reads... T7s is not a good hand here. I fold this every time... if I do call I'm happily sticking it in on that flop though.
  8. butch2478 butch2478 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:23pm) in reply to ABorges

    its was roughly 4.5 to 1 to call this.....do i really fold preflop 100% of the time?
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  9. TwystedPair TwystedPair is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:39pm) in reply to butch2478

    I don't think you are going to hit the flop enough times with 10 7 to make this kind of call worth it.. however, flopping two pair on this flop is DEFINITELY hitting the flop hard, so it's time to stick your money in this pot..
  10. yellowhat yellowhat is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 8:42pm) in reply to butch2478

    As played, snap shove, fold pre otherwise and I'd rather call the raise if tight then loose and aggressive.
     
  11. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 10:07pm) in reply to yellowhat

    run good much? wow "put that in there and say ship it"-Durrrr
     
  12. therickbol therickbol is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 10:53pm) in reply to Appst08

    The reraiser flat called preflop. The only hands he could have that has you beat is set of 7s or set of 10s. And you certainly cannot put him on those hands because that would mean the case card came out. Just too unlikely. Got to call. He could very easily have AQ. He could bet getting agg w/KsQs. He could even have something like 8s9s. If he has that you are ahead at the moment but he would have 15 outs twice, no pretty spot for you. Either way though, you cant put him on case card for set. Must call. If he hit case card or flat called QQ preflop then congrats to him and register for another tourney. If he had 8s9s then you got a lot of sweating to do until river, and you still of redraw outs to the boat. MS2-gap are good hands to play in the right spots. I dont know that this is an optimal spot for a hand like that, but its not horrible either if you are comfotable with post-flop play.

    Let us know, did he hit a case set? Or did he play flush draw agg and hit it against you?
  13. butch2478 butch2478 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2008 (9/11/2008 11:20pm) in reply to therickbol

    I ended up shoving the 10-7....initial raiser folded......reraiser time banked and called with kj of spades.....sick hold
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  14. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Sep 12th, 2008 (9/12/2008 3:24am) in reply to butch2478

    is this really that bad of a call PF when you and your opponents are 50 bbs deep and there is the potential of winning a monster pot? As long as you have the discipline to fold 1 pair or not spew lots of chips on a draw i think its fine.
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    Sep 12th, 2008 (9/12/2008 3:32am) in reply to butch2478

    I don't mind the call at all preflop, stacks are deep have some fun...

    Get this in on the flop, not sure what you thought he had but if your beat on the flop its a cooler clearly. Very draw heavy board and there are a lot of worse hands that you want action from here (AA, KK, AQ, KQ, draws, etc.) Not to mention in a 26 dollar donkament on FTP you might see some ridic hand that we're not even including in the range.
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