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Tough spot in 20K on full tilt

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  1. Pooplips Pooplips is offline I collect boogers

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    Apr 20th, 2009 (4/20/2009 8:50pm)

    Villian has been playing pretty aggressive doing normal bigstack play putting pressure on ppl I just dont think I played this correctly with stack sizes and everything.

    Thought about 4 betting but then didnt and just called is that a terrible play?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #11790739181: $20,000 Guarantee (86887763), Table 12 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:03:46 ET - 2009/04/20
    Seat 1: negativeROI (28,270)
    Seat 2: membrox (278,735)
    Seat 3: Kyhotdog (51,995)
    Seat 4: PreshaDroppa (115,672)
    Seat 5: dadouv (85,966)
    Seat 6: DocFonz (27,939)
    Seat 7: alextwice (37,553)
    Seat 8: lolumissed (76,582)
    Seat 9: Pooplips (141,289)
    negativeROI antes 300
    membrox antes 300
    Kyhotdog antes 300
    PreshaDroppa antes 300
    dadouv antes 300
    DocFonz antes 300
    alextwice antes 300
    lolumissed antes 300
    Pooplips antes 300
    membrox posts the small blind of 1,200
    Kyhotdog posts the big blind of 2,400
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pooplips [Qh As]
    PreshaDroppa has 15 seconds left to act
    PreshaDroppa folds
    dadouv folds
    DocFonz folds
    alextwice folds
    lolumissed folds
    Pooplips raises to 5,450
    negativeROI folds
    membrox has 15 seconds left to act
    membrox raises to 13,999
    Kyhotdog folds
    Pooplips has 15 seconds left to act
    Pooplips calls 8,549
    *** FLOP *** [3h Tc Qs]
    membrox has 15 seconds left to act
    membrox bets 14,876
    Pooplips has 15 seconds left to act
    Pooplips raises to 44,345
    membrox has 15 seconds left to act
    membrox has requested TIME
    membrox raises to 264,436, and is all in
    Pooplips calls 82,645, and is all in
    membrox shows [Td Qd]
    Pooplips shows [Qh As]
    Uncalled bet of 137,446 returned to membrox
    *** TURN *** [3h Tc Qs] [4c]
    *** RIVER *** [3h Tc Qs 4c] [7h]
    membrox shows two pair, Queens and Tens
    Pooplips shows a pair of Queens
    membrox wins the pot (287,078) with two pair, Queens and Tens
    Pooplips stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 287,078 | Rake 0
    Board: [3h Tc Qs 4c 7h]
    Seat 1: negativeROI (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: membrox (small blind) showed [Td Qd] and won (287,078) with two pair, Queens and Tens
    Seat 3: Kyhotdog (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: PreshaDroppa folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: dadouv folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: DocFonz folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: alextwice folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: lolumissed folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: Pooplips showed [Qh As] and lost with a pair of Queens
  2. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2009 (4/20/2009 8:59pm) in reply to Pooplips

    sick brag about being at the same table as negativeROI
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  3. Pooplips Pooplips is offline I collect boogers

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    Apr 20th, 2009 (4/20/2009 9:03pm) in reply to Gags30

    haha no im serious gags your a good player what do you think about how the hand went?
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  4. Pooplips Pooplips is offline I collect boogers

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 2:17am) in reply to Pooplips

    no one?
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  5. funnygut funnygut is offline gone hollywood

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 2:31am) in reply to Pooplips

    You're pretty deep, I'm not good but I'd think if you're flatting pre to avoid busting to QQ+ you have the same problem on the flop plus obv QT/TT to worry about now, plus the flat lets him keep firing, I'd doubt he's continuing w/worse once you raise flop unless he wants to pull off some sick bluff or loses his mind w/JJ. Still not great in this specific scenario b/c on turn you'll be facing a huge value bet from him or a c/r, but either way I'd be more comfortable going broke or folding on a turn than on this flop. 60 bbs is a bit much for TPTK in general, but this is fairly unlucky given stack sizes/positions, I'm probably just barely fine w/going broke here but as I said I think flop flat is better than raise.
     
  6. jirkman69 jirkman69 is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 3:59am) in reply to funnygut

    too deep to go broke with it pf unless he's been 3betting you light i think calling is fine. i also like flatting the flop while still probably not getting away from the hand, just that flatting looks alot weaker
  7. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 6:34am) in reply to jirkman69

    If he is 3 betting as wide as you say, you can make it 33k and fold to a shove pretty profitably assuming he's only 5 bet shoving jj+, ak+, but 3 betting a huge range.

    If he's capable of 5 bet shoving with worse, then flatting is better.

    But seriously, he's not moorman1, probably not 5 bet bluffing.
    I know i know, you don't 4 bet fold, but it's ok in certain situations just as 3 bet folding is ok in certain situations. On a FT bubble, it's generally the aggressor who wins.
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  8. Pooplips Pooplips is offline I collect boogers

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 12:57pm) in reply to darkhawk-200

    I wanted to 4 bet so bad but i thought 4 bet folding was bad im just not sure abou this situation.
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  9. tom44411 tom44411 is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2009 (4/21/2009 3:11pm) in reply to Pooplips

    he pretty much just hook rr 1/3 of his stack. its a very gross spot but i think this is a fold since i dont think hes just making a play here to get you to fold. he has the goods. as for preflop, i 4 bet this all day and make him have to make a move for his stack
     
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